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Originally posted by clay as i tried to point out is that cables is important in the monitoring chain, but not the instrument and efex chains as these are modified to your liking anyway.

You ca't modify what you can't hear

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yes thats exactly what we do in the production state. does your instrument lack a little treble? add some eq. thats my point entirely. the creative part does not need fancy gear, only high creativity and great monitoring. the listener on the other hand needs exceptional gear to be able to recreate what the artist had in mind. i know cables are important but not in all chains. you could have bought another synth instead and this tells me you really dont know what youre doing - almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it....

Ok i'll bite:

My instrument cables are all AVID Digidesign Digisnakes, they are pretty much best price performance in db25 multicore cabling, not the best, but no HOSA either.

I can hear the difference between those and my Vandammes, which I use on my mastering chain, my summing signal path and my patchpanel (setting up tne chain)

IMHO, choosing instruments, or choosing sound transport are 2 different discussion. One is around sound design, the other is about accuracy. I hope you understand the difference?

Now, if you do, you can then argue if one is better of with investing more in signal path, or more sources? I cannot answer that question for you, but for me it was signal path in this stage. I don't really need more sources.

Then there is yet another dimension, which is funds and how much you want to spend on a studio. For my purpose I know have a very versatile and balanced setup. I can work both ITB or OTB or hybrid. a pristine signal path is crucial for my setup.

anyway, i have a bunch of redundant hosa, digisnakes and planet waves now on sale. If I would not be hearing a difference, I would not have replaced those.

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Originally posted by clay yes thats exactly what we do in the production state. does your instrument lack a little treble? add some eq. thats my point entirely. the creative part does not need fancy gear, only high creativity and great monitoring. the listener on the other hand needs exceptional gear to be able to recreate what the artist had in mind. i know cables are important but not in all chains. you could have bought another synth instead and this tells me you really dont know what youre doing - almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it....

As I became older, I started to put personal pride before 'more'.

I bet that filters through to creativity on some level.

And for me, the little extras do make a difference and they do matter.

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Originally posted by clay anyway back to thread. heres where i control check my mixdowns and listen to music when my GF is sick of me:

Quite boomy i think? spare bedroom near empty converted to "listening room" but at least you got some kind of man cave. Now before debating cables, I would look into acoustics in that room if you want to improve accuracy.

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Originally posted by clay almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it....

Everybody has been critiquing how good my mix downs are. I don't see you posting anything quiet close to credible. By the way Your speakers are way to close to the wall and in corner wtf/

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Originally posted by clay yes thats exactly what we do in the production state. does your instrument lack a little treble? add some eq. thats my point entirely. the creative part does not need fancy gear, only high creativity and great monitoring. the listener on the other hand needs exceptional gear to be able to recreate what the artist had in mind. i know cables are important but not in all chains. you could have bought another synth instead and this tells me you really dont know what youre doing - almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it....

I think Raphie explained himself but this doesn't make sense.

Yes, the listener would need a great setup to hear the exact same thing as the producer but we produce to the highest standard we can, just in case.

In chains, you're only as strong as your weakest link and ultimately, that chain has to be monitored, so if you can't hear every little detail or hear more noise than your should, then you can't make accurate decisions on what you're hearing. If anything the more things in a chain, the more critical it becomes as the paths essentially get longer and there's more chance of noise to creep in.

I don't have a fully balanced power setup in my house and the difference having star quad Van Damme cables made was day and night.

just bought a quarter inch to rca and then xor to quarter inch to rya all hose going to my genelecs from my apogee symphony. All purchased at a discount asian store.

but ya , at the distances Raphie is running , double blind hose , mogami , proco ....
Its all in your head. Sure the vandamme will last longer. And why not if you can afford it but when you are spending say this on cables then making threads about needing volunteers for your website , well that is a fucking retarded purchase. WEBSITE or real expensive cables that will sound the same as hose.

wire is wire is wire. Copper is copper.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Dec-28-2013 at 22:39

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney just bought a quarter inch to rca and then xor to quarter inch to rya all hose going to my genelecs from my apogee symphony. All purchased at a discount asian store. but ya , at the distances Raphie is running , double blind hose , mogami , proco .... Its all in your head. Sure the vandamme will last longer. And why not if you can afford it but when you are spending say this on cables then making threads about needing volunteers for your website , well that is a fucking retarded purchase. WEBSITE or real expensive cables that will sound the same as hose. wire is wire is wire. Copper is copper.

Are you now able to drink or something? copper isn't copper.

There's a million things that affect conduction and, in analogue audio unlike binary data transmission, that conduction affects everything from inherent signal noise to timbre.

Aside from that if you're not joking about the cables you use, you do realise that you're not even running balanced cables which in your case is a real faux pas. Like asking for ice in your single malt, or ordering a Dirty Martini with Gin, instead of Vodka. I do hope you're not one of those types.

I do concede it's a little bit silly to spunk serious coinage on cables then not have enough to make a basic website, but then again, raphie seems to earn pretty well/be pretty flush so it's only a matter of time until he can pony up, and websites are an ongoing investment. Van damme - you only ever buy once.

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Originally posted by clay its not so bad actually, as long as i dont sit close to the wall in the bed. but its a "hole" in the midbass section for some reason. it might be the amp doesnt fit the speakers or it might be the room, i will compare with another amp and try the speakers in my livingroom to figure out. also theyre not played in yet, just a week old so it could be that too, or the cables and yes your right its our tiny guest bedroom used as a mancave sux living in the times where 1m2 costs 10000 USD.

Every man needs a cave

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Are you now able to drink or something? copper isn't copper. There's a million things that affect conduction and, in analogue audio unlike binary data transmission, that conduction affects everything from inherent signal noise to timbre. Aside from that if you're not joking about the cables you use, you do realise that you're not even running balanced cables which in your case is a real faux pas. Like asking for ice in your single malt, or ordering a Dirty Martini with Gin, instead of Vodka. I do hope you're not one of those types. I do concede it's a little bit silly to spunk serious coinage on cables then not have enough to make a basic website, but then again, raphie seems to earn pretty well/be pretty flush so it's only a matter of time until he can pony up, and websites are an ongoing investment. Van damme - you only ever buy once.

i think you think there is more than just electrons going thru those wires. it is fucking ridiculous to spend that money on something that is pretty much a placebo at those lengths and cannot even be used as a business expense. And yes , copper is pretty much copper in that the only real thing that matters is lcr and the connection and at the lengths we are talking about the only thing relevant is the connection which is either good or not good. Durability aside, the difference is just so small if noticeable that to even worry about it when you probably have a fan creating more noise. It is asinine.

mogami for EDM is overkill for most people. Again , do what you want with your money, but it was was just ironic that his money went to cables that will do nothing rather than the website that i would think matters a little more.

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Originally posted by Raphie I'm not going there, you can google my speaker cable if you like: Audioquest K2...

You have $15,000 speaker cables?

Just. What the fuck? Two of those is what I make in a year.

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