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WOW!, Looooooong time man. Welcome back. Where you been hiding?

Fuck, with Echosystem, MNinja, Lolo and Alanzo posting it's like the early 2000's up in here

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Originally posted by Raphie There are no power issues where i live. The Furman is merely an IEC distribution box for 10 connections being switched on via 1 button in a handy package.

Actually, Richie is completely right: I very highly doubt that there are no power issues where you live.

Unless you built your house knowing that there was going to be a mastering studio in it, with class-A audio equipment in it, then you have all kinds of power issues going on.

You are actually one of the very few people on this forum who will be able to hear a noticeable difference, especially for what you're doing.

Unless you have a discrete power circuit just for your studio, which is completely separate from your main electricity circuits including a power conditioner between the main street feed and that discrete circuit then you most certainly have power issues that will affect your audio.

Also, every single piece of eqiupment (pro audio or not) is sending a dirty signal right back along those connections, meaning that even if you do have a discrete circuit after the fuses/breakers, all your kit, you lights, your screens, your phone chargers, (etc, etc) are all fucking up your power.

With kit like that, power conditioning is a must have. The furman distro does nothing apart from in line capacitance so while it will stop spikes, it's not removing any of the interferance that all those outlets and equipment are inducing in each other.

You really should invest in a few Furman power conditioners

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Fuck, with Echosystem, MNinja, Lolo and Alanzo posting it's like the early 2000's up in here

All we need is Mr Mystery, Etherium, rb2k1, and Luke Terry.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You really should invest in a few Furman power conditioners

i found quality UPS better bang for your buck.

they also give you some time if the power turns off so your hard rives don't get fucked up. It was the reason my one mac pro would turn off actually. Just a slight varience in the wave from a pure sine. mac pros apparently don't deal well with that,

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i found quality UPS better bang for your buck. they also give you some time if the power turns off so your hard rives don't get fucked up. It was the reason my one mac pro would turn off actually. Just a slight varience in the wave from a pure sine. mac pros apparently don't deal well with that,

But most UPS don't have any of the advanced power conditioning that Furman Conditioners have. The other thing is that battery will go after a couple of years. I have one here that is three years old and on it's last legs. They are great in the respect that if you get an outage you've got a few mins (up to 30 depending on power draw usually) to save your shit and power down safely, but unfortunately, that can turn in to seconds if you have heavy drawing equipment like class-A poweramps etc.

UPS sound dull basswise, it sucks the life right out of music
I'be had a Powerplant http://www.psaudio.com/products/pow...ower-on-demand/ but my system sounds better without.

for lightning we have Insurance and spikes and brownouts like the flakey 110v issues in the US are unheard of in the Netherlands
we have clean stable 220v grounded power available in 16amp groups
i've put my studio on a seperate group, but sharing the systems ground, which is fine as my noisefloor is extremly low
and i have no inteference from fridges, airco's etc on other groups

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That is ridiculious.

The reason a quality ups makes things better and cheaper is thAt they sell lots and have more money for r n d and proper assembly. This stuff you metion is hifi snake oil.

you can buy a metal pipe for 10$. Same metal pipe sold by Gibraltar for drums wil cost 100. Computers are by far the most sensitive to power surges brownouts. and that is why a good ups is cheaper and more reliable than pretty much all that boutique stuff.

And eu uses 220. and NA Is 120. It makes no difference. The stability is what counts. You aren't doubling anything.

Sad, I mean you really know nothing about power. 16 a means nothing. I run 3 20 a circuits which would be just as good a a 5 a circuit if that is all you draw.

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L4C, you are drawing conclusions on my behalf now? never said anything about double being better etc etc?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney That is ridiculious. The reason a quality ups makes things better and cheaper is thAt they sell lots and have more money for r n d and proper assembly. This stuff you metion is hifi snake oil. you can buy a metal pipe for 10$. Same metal pipe sold by Gibraltar for drums wil cost 100. Computers are by far the most sensitive to power surges brownouts. and that is why a good ups is cheaper and more reliable than pretty much all that boutique stuff. And eu uses 220. and NA Is 120. It makes no difference. The stability is what counts. You aren't doubling anything. Sad, I mean you really know nothing about power. 16 a means nothing. I run 3 20 a circuits which would be just as good a a 5 a circuit if that is all you draw.

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the 110v which is actually about 117v is no worse than 220v. The USA and NA has a beter electrical infrastructure overall.

have you actually measured your power with the proper tools.

And come on , UPS and bass response. sigh

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Got to hand it to Raphie here. Power outage or surges are rarer than spotting a wild koala bear here in NL. The thing on UPS+sound quality seems farfetched imo, but who am I to judge what he perceives.

Just be sure that insurance is good Raphie, pro-audio gear is often not covered by regular insurance for fire/lightning/water damages etc

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Originally posted by Raphie UPS sound dull basswise, it sucks the life right out of music

Wat.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN But most UPS don't have any of the advanced power conditioning that Furman Conditioners have.

I think a UPS is OK if you want some peace of mind that peaks are getting smoothed out or have some power issues in your house. However, with this Furman stuff, we're talking about hardcore diminishing returns. Power quality in first world countries is insane. If the power supply that came with your electronics can't handle the tolerances of your electricity supply, then it is a shitty power supply, you have issues in your house or you accidentally live in Cambodia.

I'd love to know what "advanced power conditioning" means. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a capacitor. A UPS is just an even bigger capacitor. It would not surprise me at all if your average UPS actually uses better quality components, due to economies of scale. APC could buy 1,000 solid caps for the price that Furman buys 10 electrolytic caps. I think L4C is on the money.

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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