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Originally posted by Eric J OK, I can see what you are saying, but I've been told not to have my computer monitor in front of my speakers. Like this: / | \ Because it creates a "comb filter" effect. Wouldn't this type of set up create that situation? Its a MOTU 24I/O. 24 analog in/out. http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/ Its working great for me. Reasonably priced, good quality AD/DA converters. The only thing missing is digital inputs, but so far that hasn't been a problem for me, although it may be for others.

thats a bit high priced for me

anyway yeah don't put anything between you and the monitors... don't know bout comb effects but do you have room to move things around there? like just expanding the setup? like instead of:
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lol, you know what i mean

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA thats a bit high priced for me

Yeah it wasn't cheap, but at the time I had a hell of a lot more hardware than I have now, so it was the best alternative to buying a full blown mixing desk. Honestly, I've considered replacing the MOTU with an Apogee Ensemble for some time now, but at a retail cost of approx. $2,000US, expense has prevented me from doing so. It's definitely in the plan, though.

Don't get me wrong, I think the MOTU is great and I have no problems with it, but the Apogee converters are some of the best in the business, and it would definitely be a step up from the MOTU.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA anyway yeah don't put anything between you and the monitors... don't know bout comb effects but do you have room to move things around there? like just expanding the setup? like instead of: / | \ do like / | \ lol, you know what i mean

Yeah, I definitely have room to move things around. The only question I would have in that type of setup would be doesn't that violate the equilateral triangle rule? I mean, then the monitors would be, say 4-5ft apart from each other, but only 3 ft from me?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just trying to correlate differing advice from different people. I've seen other producers who have their monitors in a configuration like you suggested and I always wondered why that didn't violate the equilateral triangle rule as well.


What do you think?

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Originally posted by Eric J Yeah it wasn't cheap, but at the time I had a hell of a lot more hardware than I have now, so it was the best alternative to buying a full blown mixing desk. Honestly, I've considered replacing the MOTU with an Apogee Ensemble for some time now, but at a retail cost of approx. $2,000US, expense has prevented me from doing so. It's definitely in the plan, though. Don't get me wrong, I think the MOTU is great and I have no problems with it, but the Apogee converters are some of the best in the business, and it would definitely be a step up from the MOTU. Yeah, I definitely have room to move things around. The only question I would have in that type of setup would be doesn't that violate the equilateral triangle rule? I mean, then the monitors would be, say 4-5ft apart from each other, but only 3 ft from me? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just trying to correlate differing advice from different people. I've seen other producers who have their monitors in a configuration like you suggested and I always wondered why that didn't violate the equilateral triangle rule as well. What do you think?

ill tell you the truth, it just gives me more stereo seperation when producing, when you dont really need to be in the sweet spot the whole time... when i mixdown and master i tend to do so a little further away to reach the sweet spot, and i usually master using different location all the time... i don't have proper acoustic treatment so i play the track once in one location, then move for a location with a more "hot" bass, then to a location with more "muffy" bass, and in each location i reference it to commercial released stuff (the best for my purpuse stuff ofcourse, or in other words stuff that come close to what i do, i dont find similar tracks, just similar mixing ideas and so forth...)

when it comes to working flow i care less bout that almighty triangle, and care more about music, and stereo width is more important for me at that phase then in the mixdown and master...

but thats how i work, i know a dude that has two LCDs infront of his speakers but he has proper acoustic treatment, ill ask him about problems with that and post here again...

also i wonder how much improvement is gained from better a/d converters? ive been looking at the following audio interfaces, they all look like what i need but im clueless bout which one will have the most benefit for me (im only recording stereo at max so ill need two ins minimum) so if anyone has one of those will you please elaborate some?

Focusrite Sapphire 10i/o
Motu Ultralite
Rme Fireface 400 (a little out of budget but im willing to save if its worth it)

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Originally posted by Eric J Yeah it wasn't cheap, but at the time I had a hell of a lot more hardware than I have now, so it was the best alternative to buying a full blown mixing desk. Honestly, I've considered replacing the MOTU with an Apogee Ensemble for some time now, but at a retail cost of approx. $2,000US, expense has prevented me from doing so. It's definitely in the plan, though. Don't get me wrong, I think the MOTU is great and I have no problems with it, but the Apogee converters are some of the best in the business, and it would definitely be a step up from the MOTU. Yeah, I definitely have room to move things around. The only question I would have in that type of setup would be doesn't that violate the equilateral triangle rule? I mean, then the monitors would be, say 4-5ft apart from each other, but only 3 ft from me? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just trying to correlate differing advice from different people. I've seen other producers who have their monitors in a configuration like you suggested and I always wondered why that didn't violate the equilateral triangle rule as well. What do you think?

You don't have to worry too much about the equilateral triangle if you're laying down the notes/composing but when it comes to panning/mix/fx you really do have to adhere to it. You don't have to be too stressed about the monitor, as long as it's not in front of the speakers, as the divergence/panning will be affected from left to right.

Having said that, your HR824's have a huge sweetspot and are very forgiving because of that.

Can you move the speakers out slightly wider and backwards on the table?

If not have you thought about stacking the monitors one on top of the other so to give you more space to widen them?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You don't have to worry too much about the equilateral triangle if you're laying down the notes/composing but when it comes to panning/mix/fx you really do have to adhere to it. You don't have to be too stressed about the monitor, as long as it's not in front of the speakers, as the divergence/panning will be affected from left to right.

Thanks guys. I may end up making them a bit wider after I move the studio into the new house. Even the manual for the HR824's suggests playing around with the positioning. I'll certainly have differing acoustics in a new house, so moving them may be necessary anyway.

I have only finished one track on the new monitors since I have only had them for a little over a month, but that track translated really well onto other systems, so I'll see how things go with the next couple of tracks and make a determination then.

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Originally posted by Lucidity I'm jealous Eric, I want your JP-8080. That is the only hardware that I really want.

There are always several available on eBay. $400 - $600 is the going price.

some new updates on mine

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 some new updates on mine

is that the ultralite there? how are you finding it? is it making any problems? how low can it get and how are the converters on that?

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yes it's the ultralite... 'how low can i get it?' . i don't understand.

i've had many issues with my ultralite, including sever midi jitter and absent audio. audio spiking and complete overloads.

as always motu's tech support is really good and they think i have a defective unit but i can't spend the 4 weeks they want to take back my motu before they send me a new one.