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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Where exactly would one find NY hard house if he gets assigned such a genre?

Compilations and DJ mixes from some of the artists that were supplied I presume. I have yet to check if it's well represented on Beatport, but I presume so given the stature of the genre. It is very old though.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Because I wasn't asking a question but exemplifying my point about interpretability. Adjectives like "funky" or "psychadelic" mean very little by themselves, but we have a clear frame of reference to connect a certain sound to them making them obvious picks.

Right, clarifying the sound is one of the most important points of suggesting a genre. Dark prog. Hard trance. Psychedelic chillout. Those are all clear styles that can be found in many different forms and interpretations. Italian techno seems to be lacking that distinction.

Herein lies another problem that Nik just highlighted: it's going to be very difficult with certain specific (also "older") genres if the tracks aren't available digitally. It should go without saying that asking someone to purchase 10 vinyls on discogs for a challenge with tracks in a genre they won't play out is quite overboard.

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I did a random google search for those who just can't find their way around a real genre. here's 3 textbook NY hard house tracks all available on beatport.

http://www.beatport.com/track/giv-m...nal-mix/4115984
http://www.beatport.com/track/hidea...o-score/1130719
http://www.beatport.com/track/stay-...auma-mix/283962

More NYC hard house stuff on BP:

http://www.beatport.com/track/let-m...club-mix/341914

http://www.beatport.com/track/music...nal-mix/3164495

http://www.beatport.com/track/lift-...h-remix/1192398

http://www.beatport.com/track/the-l...ht-remix/233349

Hell there's even a NY hard house remix of a J-pop artist :P

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I've been doing some googling as well. I think Game+watch's examples are telling here. What you appear to be after is a specific sort of slightly chunky diva house brought out by the handful of artists you mention.
Thing is from what I gather about hard house It started in Chicago in the late eighties and was eventually shipped off to Europe were it blew up into a truckload of early hardcore and rave styles as well as well as the more distinct and reputable UK hard house.
As for NY in particular I couldn't find a whole lot in that regard. It got there very early and a lot of music spawned from there, but from what I read the city's output was very eclectic in that aspect.
My concern is that this is the result of people from a very different time and location finding a couple of NY artists making this sort of music and then conjuring up a genre around it disregarding the rest of what came out of a city with an 8 million popfig.

I could find no mixes of it on soundcloud, and on youtube I only found this:



Which again is rather more indistinct then what the contestant is hinting at.

So again, it can be done. But the genre's "NY" part is Iffy.
You can go any number of ways with it. Which is a good thing, don't get me wrong. But if you want that particular sound you might come out disappointed unless you change it to something like NY-diva-hard-house-vasquezviciousrazornguido. Which I assume is too specific.

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So we have confirmed that NY Hard House can indeed be separated from other house styles, and it can be found digitally online.

I think the important thing is to focus on the style rather than the region. Luke, I'm certain you would accept a submission that contained tracks not directly produced in New York, but embodying the sound that you are looking for?

I have already accepted NY Hard House as a genre. Bierheld, go ahead and submit your replacement suggestion. Just a few more days until the challenge starts!

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Well, since there's a lot of craziness in the submitted genre's already so far, I was thinking of counteracting it with 'downtempo lounge'. To clarify, the first term is to separate it from the lounge that operates at house tempos.

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Okay, that's a fine replacement. Downtempo and Lounge are both valid genres/descriptors.

Please start the veto process here:

http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...threadid=696124

Any late signups still have a chance.

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Mr Game Watch's examples were NY hard house albeit more emphasis on the diva vocalist compared to my examples.

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Originally posted by Bierheld

lol now that's not NY hard house. in all fairness, you'll be hard pressed to find the tag NY hard house or hard house on the internet and actually find the exact music.

despite all the inaccuracies of genre tagging on discogs, the submitter actually got it right. this compilation sums up everything about the genre I've been defending in this thread.

http://www.discogs.com/Junior-Vasqu...k/release/92457

I'm just saying, this might be the most obscure and hyper-specific genre I've ever come across.
Fire it up in google And you get absolutely nothing of any use, Youtube: nothing. Soundcloud: nothing, wikipedia: nothing. Even though it was apparently a huge thing.
We have examples here from like what, half a dozen artists? Some of which sound nothing alike.
It made sense to me the way sand-leaper brought it, who again gave an example that was nothing like what was posted later, as he was referring the continental split in early hardhouse.

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Last edited by Bierheld on Aug-28-2014 at 23:47

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Originally posted by Bierheld I'm just saying, this might be the most obscure and hyper-specific genre I've ever come across.

Really? Spend fifteen seconds here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ic_music_genres

If you're really this confused about NY Hard House, start with Junior Vasquez and move outward from there.

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you could imagine how an asian kid like myself was able to discover such music when I had nothing to work with online. people are discrediting it simply because of fucking ignorance and they just shove it to the side because they don't want it to exist in their mind. let me spew out two words: Junior Vasquez. Check out his sets, compilations, and tracks by him and featuring him and you just got everything you need to work with if you do get the genre. Although I'm not in the challenge, I'll be disappointed if it gets omitted from the competition.


w/e let me drop another NY Hard House artist: John Creamer. yeah, I thought he would sound familiar. dark prog wouldn't have been the genre it became had it not been for him jumping ship when prog got real hot.

Last edited by Mattsanity on Aug-29-2014 at 00:27