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remix/radio edit demo's

Hello Guys,

Havent visited here in a long time, hope you are all well and have been making some music!I see there are still many of the regulars here which is good to see. I have been away from music for a while but am slowly getting back into it.


I have a question regarding demo's that any of you have sent out to any labels, etc. In particular the type of edit you used, i.e. original, radio edit, cllub edit, etc.

The reason im asking is because ive started listening to some trance again to get inspired, I noticed that a lot of the compilation discs I have or even some of the youtube compilations have a lot of the songs coming in at a significant point in the song, usually a section that peaks interest right away and isnt to far from the hook, main element, etc. Personaly I like hearing the whole song as you get a better picture of why things are happening and its more of a journey.
But would someone from a label sit through a long intro of a demo, etc?

It got me thinking though, would it be better for someone to create their own mix of their original songs, like a compilation cd, where the songs come in and out at more interesting, engaging points? But also submit the full length version so if they are interested they can then decide to hear the entire song, etc.

Thanks, and its nice to be back into making music!

Re: remix/radio edit demo's

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Originally posted by madmuso I see there are still many of the regulars here which is good to see.

Or, it means that none of us have gotten signed to a huge label yet, so you probably shouldn't listen to our advice.

j/k - good to see you again, madmuso!

The people I know usually listen the first few seconds. They are very indocative of what is to come. First seconds sound good? They skip through to the middle or climax, still sounds good? They listen to the whole thing.

I've got a service where record labels can review demos very efficiently. Over almost 10.000 demos the average time spent on a demo is about 30-35 seconds.

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Originally posted by Storyteller The people I know usually listen the first few seconds. They are very indocative of what is to come. First seconds sound good? They skip through to the middle or climax, still sounds good? They listen to the whole thing.

Practically the same thing we all used to do when shopping for vinyl:
1. Pull vinyl out of the sleeve
2. Place on the platter
3. Drop needle at the start, listen for a couple of seconds
4. Skip a bit forwards
5. Still sounding good, skip to middle/climax
6. Sounds good? Put on the 'to buy pile'.

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Originally posted by farris Practically the same thing we all used to do when shopping for vinyl: 1. Pull vinyl out of the sleeve 2. Place on the platter 3. Drop needle at the start, listen for a couple of seconds 4. Skip a bit forwards 5. Still sounding good, skip to middle/climax 6. Sounds good? Put on the 'to buy pile'.

Amen brother.

Re: Re: remix/radio edit demo's

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Originally posted by cryophonik Or, it means that none of us have gotten signed to a huge label yet, so you probably shouldn't listen to our advice. j/k - good to see you again, madmuso!

Haha, there's plenty of talent on this forum and good advice here. Definitely helped me out tremendously. Personally if someone is signed or not isn't indicative of whether they have talent or not, plenty of shit people who have been signed and plenty of talent that hasn't!

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Originally posted by farris Practically the same thing we all used to do when shopping for vinyl: 1. Pull vinyl out of the sleeve 2. Place on the platter 3. Drop needle at the start, listen for a couple of seconds 4. Skip a bit forwards 5. Still sounding good, skip to middle/climax 6. Sounds good? Put on the 'to buy pile'.

So, if we assume this is the common method used, would it make more sense to submit short edits then?

No because that is not what a label wants. The want to be able to check the full product at decent quality if it passes initial inspection.

The only demos spent more time on than average are the interesting ones. Those cost 5 to 10 minutes whereas truly shit demos (of which labels get a lot more) are frequently discarded within just shy of 18 seconds.

Just stop catering to please labels/influencers
You should make music you like, your followers will find you.
Unless you have a supercommercial flick, but then you shouldn't be asking this question and know how to arrange.

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Originally posted by Raphie Just stop catering to please labels/influencers You should make music you like, your followers will find you. Unless you have a supercommercial flick, but then you shouldn't be asking this question and know how to arrange.

You're preaching to the choir! I'm a big believer in just writing the music that feels right for you and it's not a musicians jobs to please everyone. There's so many people in the world that even the most obscure music by commercial standards will be liked by someone, that's the beauty of music.

I guess what I'm trying to establish is how label people do their jobs and the different criteria that need to be met in order to raise interest to begin with.

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Originally posted by Storyteller No because that is not what a label wants. The want to be able to check the full product at decent quality if it passes initial inspection. The only demos spent more time on than average are the interesting ones. Those cost 5 to 10 minutes whereas truly shit demos (of which labels get a lot more) are frequently discarded within just shy of 18 seconds.

Wow, around 18 seconds. Not much time to make an impression! What about so many trance songs that really don't get going until after that time, surely this means there are plenty of good songs that fall through the cracks?

Labels just skip through in that time. If all bits do not appeal to the label owner you're done. Truthfully, a lot of shit demos are being sent. The possibility of great tracls falling through the cracks is there but so far I haven't recieved any complaints

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Originally posted by madmuso You're preaching to the choir! I'm a big believer in just writing the music that feels right for you and it's not a musicians jobs to please everyone. There's so many people in the world that even the most obscure music by commercial standards will be liked by someone, that's the beauty of music. I guess what I'm trying to establish is how label people do their jobs and the different criteria that need to be met in order to raise interest to begin with.

But that's what ST describes, i bet you do it all the time too in the WIP section.
At least i do... And yes I might miss some hard work on careful build ups, but really if i drop the needle 3 times during the track and nowhere I get triggered to stay and listen for a while, the track is done, next........

Things that are for me direct disqualifiers: anything Vengeance, anything loopmasters
Anythiing shingoshit..... As soon as i hear dreaded hihatloops, bigroom kicks, sylenth type saw leads i've lost interest. Unless you are Deadmau5 and actually can put something interesting together with oneshots and sound design and carefull arrangement.
I really seek for outskirts... Anything that remotely sounds like beatport top 100 "me too" is out.

most important thing these days is to try and develop a few personal relationships that can get your stuff a little more than the 18 second thing.

My stuff was all signed through determination and sending full length, full quality tracks - to A+R people I'd taken a bit of time learning about and talking to.

the music is the most important things, the relationships are important too.

T

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Originally posted by Raphie But that's what ST describes, i bet you do it all the time too in the WIP section. At least i do... And yes I might miss some hard work on careful build ups, but really if i drop the needle 3 times during the track and nowhere I get triggered to stay and listen for a while, the track is done, next........ Things that are for me direct disqualifiers: anything Vengeance, anything loopmasters Anythiing shingoshit..... As soon as i hear dreaded hihatloops, bigroom kicks, sylenth type saw leads i've lost interest. Unless you are Deadmau5 and actually can put something interesting together with oneshots and sound design and carefull arrangement. I really seek for outskirts... Anything that remotely sounds like beatport top 100 "me too" is out.

cool. Do you mind giving me 3 or 4 examples of popular trance songs that would get your tick of approval if they were sent to you? What popular trance song has come out in the last year that would make you go, f%^k yeah, and pass it on with high praises?

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Originally posted by optik most important thing these days is to try and develop a few personal relationships that can get your stuff a little more than the 18 second thing. My stuff was all signed through determination and sending full length, full quality tracks - to A+R people I'd taken a bit of time learning about and talking to. the music is the most important things, the relationships are important too. T

Very hard to do from this side of the world especially when the style of music you are interested in is mainly based so far away. Networking opportunities are scarce. Although the internet has helped a little in that dept.

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