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Posted by ziptnf on Aug-01-2014 12:49:

Exclamation ::::::::. **** TA DJ Challenge Series - Genre Challenge 7 (COMPLETE) **** .::::::::

Hello everyone, and welcome to the new TA DJ Challenge Series!

Challenges
Original threads
March 2009 - Genre Challenge Round 1
May 2009 - Genre Challenge Round 2
July 2009 - Genre Challenge Round 3
July 2010 - Genre Challenge Round 4
February 2011 - Genre Challenge Round 5
April 2012 - Genre Challenge Round 6

New Challenge series
January 2014 - Theme challenge
September 2014 - Genre challenge Round 7
January 2015 - 3 random tracks ?
September 2015 - Genre challenge ?

The Rules

Participants will suggest a genre along with signing up. All genres will be randomly assigned amongst participants. The Genre Challenge will consist of a 45 minute to 120 minute mix, left to your own interpretation of the assigned genre, which will be posted after sign-ups are over. There are no prizes. All entries should be uploaded to your favorite file hosting site and posted after the sign-up date and before the due date. All participants should make an effort to listen to and review each mix that has been posted.

IF YOU SIGN UP AND DO NOT DO YOUR MIX, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE REST OF THE COMPETITIONS!!!

Sign-ups will last one month, starting today and lasting through SEPTEMBER 1st, @ 12 AM GMT. Simply enter your name and the genre you want someone else to play. I will assign genres at the end of the sign-up period and the mixing will begin. This challenge ends OCTOBER 3rd17th @ 12 AM GMT.

THERE WILL BE ONE VETO AND ONE WILDCARD. Before signups end, the genre to be vetoed will be discussed amongst participants. Whichever genre gets vetoed will be replaced by the wildcard. If you get assigned a wildcard, you will be able to choose whatever genre you'd like (be creative, not predictable).

Don't list a genre that is too weird, obscure, or specific.

When a contestant draws the genre you selected, it is YOUR responsibility to ensure they know what type of artists to base their selections off of. Be sure to give them plenty examples. But don't flood this thread with YouTube links. Keep that in a PM.

You may choose to drop out before the sign-up dates end, but once the challenge begins you cannot drop out.

Genre Mix schedule
Sign-ups begin: August 1st
Competition begins: September 1st
Competition ends: October 3rd17th

ContestantPast EntriesSuggested GenreAssigned Genre
Mr Game+Watchtribal house | disco house | psytrance | melodic/detroit technoNY Hard/Tribal HouseHard Trance
montanaeurodance | downtempo/ambient | schranz | tech trance | autonomic dnbFunky BreaksNY Hard/Tribal House
jonmitzPsychillIndustrial
wotyzoidprog breaks | balearic house/ibiza tranceGarageNu-Jazz
djdkdetroit techno | discoLiquid FunkDowntempo Lounge
ziptnfchicago/detroit house | oldschool trance | hardstyle | hard tranceAcid TechnoRave/Hardcore
Mr. Mysteryprog house | techno | ambientHard TranceLiquid Funk
Sand Leaperprog house | nu jazz | prog trance | ambient | UK garageIndustrialFunky Breaks
Lewsuplifting trance | downtempo/trip hopNu-JazzAcid Techno
lievezearly 90's hardcore breakbeatRave/HardcorePsychill
BierheldDowntempo/LoungeGarage


Good luck and happy mixing!


Posted by Psyshell on Aug-01-2014 13:37:

Well count me in as a listener, but I don't really feel like I'm experienced enough with a variety of styles to be a dj yet. Maybe next time.


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Aug-01-2014 13:39:

In!

Genre: NY-style Hard House


Posted by Guest on Aug-01-2014 14:01:

I wish I could participate, but all I have is my vinyl collection. I can't DJ digitally atm due to the lack of a soundcard.


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-01-2014 14:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
In!

Genre: NY-style Hard House

I didn't specify in the original post (adding now) but is this too obscure of a genre? I'd like if someone else were to verify that this isn't too specific. I'm slightly suspicious.

I'll enter as soon as I think of a good genre I want someone to play.


Posted by Sand Leaper on Aug-01-2014 15:49:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
I didn't specify in the original post (adding now) but is this too obscure of a genre? I'd like if someone else were to verify that this isn't too specific. I'm slightly suspicious.



I think the "NY" prefix is needed simply to distinguish the genre "hard house" a bit, as it can refer to somewhat different types of music in different regions of the world. In the UK, for instance, hard house is associated with Tidy Boys, Tripoli Trax and the rest of the church of Tony de Vit...



..whereas in the US, it's associated with the likes of DJ Bam Bam and Mark V & Poogie Bear, who pretty much only focused on beating the shit out of their 909s:



So narrowing the field a bit is definitely needed when suggesting "hard house".

I won't sign up to mix just yet, as I'm not quite sure if I'll have time to participate in the coming months.


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Aug-01-2014 17:42:

Sand Leaper - yup the examples you've shown of Hard House are more of the Chicago style (DJ Bam Bam, DJ Deeon)... the NY style is heavily tribal-influenced, though with more screeching divas and extended drum buildups. Junior Vasquez, Jonathan Peters, Razor N Guido - are the big names in this genre.


Posted by Sand Leaper on Aug-01-2014 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
Sand Leaper - yup the examples you've shown of Hard House are more of the Chicago style (DJ Bam Bam, DJ Deeon)... the NY style is heavily tribal-influenced, though with more screeching divas and extended drum buildups. Junior Vasquez, Jonathan Peters, Razor N Guido - are the big names in this genre.


Heh, that's the first time I've ever heard the term "hard house" used about Junior Vasquez and all that Twilo-inspired percussion thwacking that TRIBAL America and Twisted put out. I always thought this was where the term "tribal house" first originated, but oh well. Goes to show how little I kept tabs on that stuff.


Posted by Mattsanity on Aug-01-2014 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
I didn't specify in the original post (adding now) but is this too obscure of a genre? I'd like if someone else were to verify that this isn't too specific. I'm slightly suspicious.

I'll enter as soon as I think of a good genre I want someone to play.


it's obscure on this site that's for sure. I could count with only one hand the amount of people who dig NY Hard House on this site, and I was one of them. outside of TA, there's a ton of it on youtube and in real life, it was obviously huge in New York City back in the day. Based on his tracklist archive, Sasha played a lot of it circa 1994-1995 and featured Junior Vasquez's famous remix on Northern Exposure.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Aug-01-2014 22:34:

It should go without saying that a genre shouldn't be nominated unless a sufficient quantity of it is easily accessible online in digital format, and that should be demonstrated at the nomination phase.


Posted by montana on Aug-02-2014 07:37:

Fuck it, I'm in. Funky Breaks.

oh to add that to the discussion, NY-style Hard House is also synonymous with what is called Circuit. A term that comes from the Circuit parties that was popular in the gay community and the type of music was played there.


Posted by jonmitz on Aug-04-2014 20:04:

Signed up/I would like to add "bass" to the list of things we are choosing

quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper

So narrowing the field a bit is definitely needed when suggesting "hard house".


did you miss this part?

quote:
The Genre Challenge will consist of a 45 minute to 120 minute mix, left to your own interpretation of the assigned genre, which will be posted after sign-ups are over.


or this:

quote:
Don't list a genre that is too weird, obscure, or specific.


y'all are posting some pretty specific things, that are not open to interpretation in any way. and adding any regional modifier to a genre is making it obscure AND specific.


Posted by Sand Leaper on Aug-04-2014 21:58:

quote:
Originally posted by jonmitz
did you miss this part?

or this:


y'all are posting some pretty specific things, that are not open to interpretation in any way. and adding any regional modifier to a genre is making it obscure AND specific.


I was just explaining to ziptnf the reasoning behind the "obscure" choice of genre that was made. Narrowing your suggestion of genre down to a certain era, approach or regional variation is one of the things that makes the genre challenge an actual "challenge" in the first place (previous suggestions such as breakbeat hardcore, electro or schranz are examples of this).

I see your point, of course. There's only so much room for variation once you narrow things down to the extent "NY hard house" does. I'd argue that diversity and variation isn't necessarily the point of this challenge, though. It is how the DJ copes with operating within a very specific set of genre boundaries, however narrow. Any room for interpretation or creative liberties is just a bonus in that regard. Considering how popular the tribal stuff being referred to as "NY hard house" so far has been with Twilo devotees, I don't think it is an unreasonable and too obscure suggestion, as long as the music is readily available at your usual digital download stores.


Posted by Mattsanity on Aug-05-2014 00:00:

Not to forget that Oakenfold featured Lil Mo' Yin Yang - Reach (Basement Jaxx Firecracker Mix) on GU004, which shows that Hard House from NY was prevalent across the globe too since all the big players in the game endorsed it. I'm not even from new york btw so it was a challenge myself when I discovered this era of music a few years ago.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-05-2014 07:39:

quote:
Originally posted by jonmitz
Signed up/I would like to add "bass" to the list of things we are choosing

Bass?


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-05-2014 13:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Bass?




Seriously though, I'm all for suggesting interesting genres but what is bass? Why can't we have something a little more defined, like tech house or progressive trance? Not saying it has to be that boring, but being too over-generalized or too specific should be pretty obvious. It's like submitting "electronica".


Posted by jonmitz on Aug-06-2014 02:05:

i mean, it's open to interpretation? it's not really a set genre but more of a certain type of sound. i could sit here and try to explain what that means from my perspective but really it stretches across genres

in any case, i guess the submissions should have an example since music is so subjective


here is a mix i did with a couple styles/subgenres of what i would call bass: https://soundcloud.com/jonmitz/dream-chaser

anything from stuff like this






to a more darker/heavier kind of thing



or slower stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfoHUOCK6Dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehk6m2seDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=580fAcO2Eik
http://www.beatport.com/track/let-g...nal-mix/5149331

other genres have this kinda sound to them
psychedelic

bass house would fall under this umbrella


anyways, i have no problem changing my submission if this is too arbitrary for the consensus. i'll just swap it for psychedelic/tribal instead since that's pretty straight forward


edit: fix tables


Posted by Lews on Aug-06-2014 02:44:

quote:
Originally posted by jonmitz
anyways, i have no problem changing my submission if this is too arbitrary for the consensus. i'll just swap it for psychedelic/tribal instead since that's pretty straight forward


Am I alone in thinking that psychedelic and tribal are extremely different?


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-06-2014 08:26:

How do I genre?


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-06-2014 11:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Lews
Am I alone in thinking that psychedelic and tribal are extremely different?

You're not. Unless he wants psychedelic tribal? I think he's done a mix of that before, but he's one of the only people I've seen do a mix with those flavors. Is that what you're sticking with, Jon? Psychedlelic tribal?

I feel like it hasn't been this difficult to select genres in the past.

I'm going to sign up shortly, once I decide.

Btw, here's a halfway decent point of reference for genres if you're having a hard time deciding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ic_music_genres


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Aug-06-2014 11:41:

It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.

EDIT: And Nick, that list contains such delights as "aggrotech", "cybergrind" and "suomisaundi". You're fighting fire with a cluster bomb.


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-06-2014 11:49:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.

It certainly does seem that way.

quote:
EDIT: And Nick, that list contains such delights as "aggrotech", "cybergrind" and "suomisaundi". You're fighting fire with a cluster bomb.

(I've actually done a suomi mix )

Yes, but I figured people with half a brain will ignore "Dream Trance" in favor of Minimal Techno.


Posted by Bierheld on Aug-06-2014 12:09:

There's a lot of modern music that hasn't settled into a well defined genre yet, which I think is what he's trying to put forward. What he calls 'bass' seems to be his preferred sound and I've heard crop up in several mixes of his.

Personally I don't think it's legitimate either, and that it should be changed to either UK bass or post-dubstep maybe? I know there's a lot of music that sort of hangs around or in between those sounds and you can definitely make something that sounds like a genre mix from that, but it's not really in the spirit of the challenge.


Posted by jonmitz on Aug-06-2014 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.


hmm yes that is it

certainly not this at all

quote:
There's a lot of modern music that hasn't settled into a well defined genre yet, which I think is what he's trying to put forward.


I'm choosing genres I am into, and doing my best to describe what i mean (this is such a crock of shit, because I don't know anything about any of the genres posted and I will bet you $20 everyone who has submitted a genre has done a mix in that style at some point. guess they just all want to link to their mixes? lol). if you look at my post you will see i gave a bunch of actual embded links and then a little one line link to a mix i did. it's not like i put it up front with size 40 font. thanks for the callout though! i'm not going change my submission because it doesnt have it's own section on beatport.com

As Bierheld hinted at, electronic music is exploding right now into all sorts of new genres that arent well defined.


a big point of the OP that I missed on my first read is that the people who submit genres will provide examples and artists to the person who gets that genre so why are we debating what a genre is? i will submit my first post about UK hard house was a bit unnecessary confused.

i think we have clarification enough on everything now to just continue with the competition, no?

e: cut excess stuff


Posted by jonmitz on Aug-06-2014 16:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Bierheld
Personally I don't think it's legitimate either, and that it should be changed to either UK bass or post-dubstep maybe? I know there's a lot of music that sort of hangs around or in between those sounds and you can definitely make something that sounds like a genre mix from that, but it's not really in the spirit of the challenge.


hmmm... UK bass is a very huge genre that is just about as defining to me as bass. Lots of this music I consider bass is from eastern europe (esp. Ukraine), america, and some asian countries (Japan comes to mind as having a lot of music released lately). It's hard to define - I have heard words used like future garage for some of it, but it definitlety doesn't all fall under that, which would be more of a subgenre.

can we just leave it up to my examples and so forth + the users own interpretation?

the only three genres i was considering submitting were bass, psychedelic*, and trip hop. if any of these are too 'esoteric' feel free to cherry pick one... i dont really care... isn't this part of the fun and difficulty?

*the reason i specified "tribal" was because i didn't want psytrance to be a part of it. bird of prey, kalya scintilla, desert dwellers, etc... if you have ever been to see any of these artists, or even heard any of their music, it shouldnt be a stretch to understand why i specify it as tribal

e: cut excess stuff


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