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Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-25-2014 20:30:

Dog Running 2 Technics M5G DJ Turntables, Dust Cover, Slipmats, Needles Included. Ebays Best 2,200$

The turntables include two dust covers, two slip mats, two rubber mats. The needles are as follows, 2 Ortofon S-120 Cartridges and 2 Shure White Label Cartridges

http://www.ebay.com/itm/29108901490...984.m1555.l2649




Posted by discobiscuit on Feb-26-2014 02:39:

Too much ull never sell em


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-26-2014 12:58:

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Originally posted by discobiscuit
Too much ull never sell em


How much you wanna bet I will.


Posted by Syntonic on Feb-26-2014 13:46:

Why are you selling all this, I take it you own no vinyl?


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-26-2014 15:32:

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Originally posted by Syntonic
Why are you selling all this, I take it you own no vinyl?


Yeah I have vinyl but I rather do mixing with the beast that is a cdjnexus.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-26-2014 18:41:

Mistake Broseph. You really shouldn't be selling them. No matter how good some CDJ's are, nothing ever tops the feel (or sound) of vinyl.


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-26-2014 18:50:

RANN, the nexus for me topped the feel of vinyl imo. It instant;y changed my style to something more complex. 3 deck mixing was never so much easier. I can only imagine how would it be with another Nexus CDJ. RANN, you have try it for yourself and I don't mean in the club because you'll forget what its like. Having it at home helps you develop a style of your own so when you go out and play you'll be never ready than you ever were.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-26-2014 19:52:

Whenever I mix I have all 4 decks going (two M5G's and two CDJ's) so mixing multiple decks has never been an issue for me.

Are you using the sync and phrase function on the Nexus?


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-26-2014 21:40:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Whenever I mix I have all 4 decks going (two M5G's and two CDJ's) so mixing multiple decks has never been an issue for me.

Are you using the sync and phrase function on the Nexus?


Hell no, don't know how, never tried, don't want to.


Posted by Adam420 on Feb-26-2014 23:09:

I find the whole CDJ vs. vinyl debate doesn't apply to me because I use my TTs to play tracks I can only get on vinyl and my CDJs to play anything I can get digitally so I have a legitimate use for both. But if you don't buy or play records anymore I don't see a huge point in keeping the TTs.


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-26-2014 23:11:

Thank You Adam, yeah I have no use for the M5G and i don't really need to have a good feeling of analogue sound.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-27-2014 21:49:

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Originally posted by The Dark NINJA
Hell no, don't know how, never tried, don't want to.


Good, glad to hear it. I don't really see then how they could have "completely changed" your mixing style? They are no different from any other decent jog wheel CDJ. The difference has to be psycological.

Same withe the DAC I'm afraid. Both the CDJ900 and 2000 have wolfson DAC's (albeit ever so slightly better models - we're talking a $10 chip instead of $7). Sitting one foot to the right or left will have more baring on what you perceive than the difference between thsoe units in terms of audio quality. And let's face it, you're probably testing it with badly mastered mp3's from beatport.

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Originally posted by Adam420
I find the whole CDJ vs. vinyl debate doesn't apply to me because I use my TTs to play tracks I can only get on vinyl and my CDJs to play anything I can get digitally so I have a legitimate use for both. But if you don't buy or play records anymore I don't see a huge point in keeping the TTs.


I'm in exactly the same position; I'll never sell my decks as there would be no way for me to play any of my old or new vinyl. CDJ's are for digital material.

Having said that, the feel of vinyl and therefore using a DVS like Serato is another valid reason to keep the decks.

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Originally posted by Adam420
ill keep them to my grave, when i think of it my decks and vinyl is the only thing of real value here, rest is plastic junk from asia.

Amen. My M5G's are now 6 years old and as crisp as the day I bought them. The CDJ I bought after that which has seen less use is already not quite as pristine. There's a reason a Technics weighs 14 kilos and will last 50 years. Quality.


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-27-2014 22:54:

CDJ2000's nexus has better feel and sound, will not regret. Good riddance m5g's.

They changed my genre style. My trademark sound is completely different on nexus than on puny m5g's. I don't use the jog wheel also ever. I'm always on point with they cue and play, I only use the pitch fader.

Mixing is 10x easier than regular vinyl and time code vinyl.


Posted by DjWoody on Feb-27-2014 23:33:

He will sell them. That's the going price for a pair of M5G's. Those are highly sought out after on the Serato boards. Too bad you can't post them there. However, ever since Pioneer announced the new DDJ SZ controller, 1200's prices dropped a bit. Like Rann said, I wouldn't sell them.

Try posting it on this FB group. I've sold a lot of stuff there. You'll probably get $1800-$2000 for the pair.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/336249983089763/


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-27-2014 23:57:

Thanks Mr woody!


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-28-2014 01:00:

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Originally posted by The Dark NINJA
CDJ2000's nexus has better feel and sound, will not regret. Good riddance m5g's.

They changed my genre style. My trademark sound is completely different on nexus than on puny m5g's. I don't use the jog wheel also ever. I'm always on point with they cue and play, I only use the pitch fader.

Mixing is 10x easier than regular vinyl and time code vinyl.


That's personal preference then. I "grew up" mixing on vinyl, and everything else (CDJ's/Controllers) are just a bad and non-tactile shadow version of mixing on Technics.

I don't just the jog either to pitch, only use the pitch slider - You do need it to scratch though obviously, and I sometimes preferred to have the CDJ in vinyl mode and drop the track in like that rather than pressing the cue.

I'd like to know though, how it "completely changed" your mixing. I promise you (and I'm not being mean) it's in your mind. With exception to some very minor things (like looping and cheesey pio CDJ FX which all available in any DVS) there's nothing I can't do on my Techs that you can do on the CDJ. It's all down to mindset and technique. Sure, you program in a bunch of cue points. Watch any DMC finals. They treat records like cue points.

I think what has made the difference for you is being able to see a % and BPM counter. Other than that there is no difference apart from your technique. I can drop a vinyl record more accurately that I can press the cue on my CDJ.

I can't help but feel it's a matter of training and technique. That's not a bad thing - I like your mixes and whatever works, works.

I liken it to Skiing vs Snowboard - snowboard you can get up and running really quickly and have a decent standard within a few days or weeks but all in all, it's a more basic pursuit. Skiing is far more difficult to even get decent at you could spend months skiing and still only be mediocre - it requires a lot of skill and technique. But when you're really good, you're really damn fucking good.


Posted by DjWoody on Feb-28-2014 01:07:

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I think what has made the difference for you is being able to see a % and BPM counter.


Even that, the 1200's have the % built in, it's just not as easy as an actual read out. That's what those little dots are.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-28-2014 01:25:

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Originally posted by DjWoody
Even that, the 1200's have the % built in, it's just not as easy as an actual read out. That's what those little dots are.


You mean on the platter? True but they're only at set intervals like 2% etc. It's not like on a CDJ where you can see it's at +1.45%

That's where I think the difference is. It's easy to look at the % counter on CDJ's and adjust by "sight" and by that, I mean you're just looking at the % LCD. On TT's it's the exact opposite; you're looking at the slider and/or just feeling the amount you're pushing or pulling by. Anyone can count 0.05 difference on a % LCD. Subtle adjustments on a TT take practice and technique.

I do get though the issues with DVS. Maybe it wasn't set up that well but I found both serato and traktor to drift a fair bit. I don't feel they are as accurate as just plain vinyl.

I know you've used them both a lot - do you find that too?


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-28-2014 01:30:

It usually takes not more than months to learn to beatmatch flawlessly with vinyl in order to create one unique style of track selection and flow. That all changed with the nexus 2000. Everything became different with more tactile freedom for example have 2 tracks in sync without my hand far longer than i Have them in m5g's so i'm like shit what do i do now and the feeling right there gives me production ideas and so on.

It feels like the beats don't drift apart as fas they do on vinyl, prob cuz of wow and flutter.


Posted by DjWoody on Feb-28-2014 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
I do get though the issues with DVS. Maybe it wasn't set up that well but I found both serato and traktor to drift a fair bit. I don't feel they are as accurate as just plain vinyl.

I know you've used them both a lot - do you find that too?


I agree. They both drift a bit. That's why I rely on very high end technology to nudge two records on beat... My fingers! lol I'm guilty of tapping the platter on the side on both CDJ's and 1200's. To this day, I use the CDJ's on vinyl mode.


Posted by DjWoody on Feb-28-2014 01:41:

quote:
Originally posted by The Dark NINJA
It usually takes not more than months to learn to beatmatch flawlessly with vinyl in order to create one unique style of track selection and flow. That all changed with the nexus 2000. Everything became different with more tactile freedom for example have 2 tracks in sync without my hand far longer than i Have them in m5g's so i'm like shit what do i do now and the feeling right there gives me production ideas and so on.

It feels like the beats don't drift apart as fas they do on vinyl, prob cuz of wow and flutter.


Do you use the Sync button?

I also love the CDJ 2000's because I noticed that they don't drift as much, plus they have tension control. Don't get me wrong, they still drift, but not nearly as much as other models or even 1200's. I mostly use Serato and occasionally Traktor, so I can't justify the expense of two new 2000's. But, I have thought about buying them refurbished from Pioneer. They go fro $1100 each. That's HUGE Savings! Same price as the CDJ 900 Nexus.


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-28-2014 04:37:

Nope no sync button dj here. I bet I'm more accurate than the sync is. I really don't know and i haven't tried it. I think it takes away all the fun from traditional djing.


Posted by jayxthekoolest on Feb-28-2014 16:27:

I'll take them off your hands for $2,500.00.

Lemme me know.


Posted by The Dark NINJA on Feb-28-2014 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by clay


I bet that weren't true, everyone would use it.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-28-2014 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by The Dark NINJA
It usually takes not more than months to learn to beatmatch flawlessly with vinyl in order to create one unique style of track selection and flow. That all changed with the nexus 2000. Everything became different with more tactile freedom for example have 2 tracks in sync without my hand far longer than i Have them in m5g's so i'm like shit what do i do now and the feeling right there gives me production ideas and so on.

It feels like the beats don't drift apart as fas they do on vinyl, prob cuz of wow and flutter.


It takes a few weeks of practice to get basic beatmatching down on Techs, but to do it flawlessly, takes sometimes years. It's nearly an instinctive thing. I learnt a ton from working as the lighting guy (and occasional stand in DJ) at a big Toronto club. I'd already been djing for nearly 7 years by that point and thought I had it nailed. Then watching the guy who was the headlining weekly resident (who wasn't even well known outside of Toronto) was quite an eye-opener.

He was the first guy I saw who could pitch a new record in under 10 seconds and not need to touch it again for the duration of the mix.

Technics do technically drift ever so slightly, but I worked out that this is such a small fluctuation, that it's insignificant over the duration of a 2 or 3 minute mix transition.

I hate to say this but it's more likely down to you not having them locked exactly in the first place. Try it - take two copies of the same vinyl and mix one in to the other at the half way point at exactly the same pitch position. They won't drift enough to go out.

DVS are slightly different in that they do introduce some slight extra drift but what I noticed with this is that it goes both ways; both decks will be drifting faster and slower (wow and flutter) by the same amount over time. Again, the crucial thing is to have the tracks completely locked in from the outset. Being able to do that fast and reliably takes time - possibly several years.

I'm not saying I've got it totally mastered quite yet, but I'm close and when you get your tracks locked in that fast you experience the same thing you have felt with the 2000N - A wholel ot of time on your hands to do other stuff with. you're not fighting/riding the pitch the whole time because you nailed it in a few seconds.

quote:
Originally posted by DjWoody
I agree. They both drift a bit. That's why I rely on very high end technology to nudge two records on beat... My fingers! lol I'm guilty of tapping the platter on the side on both CDJ's and 1200's. To this day, I use the CDJ's on vinyl mode.


I have to admit, even though I use the ride pitch technique to set the pitch, I'll still touch the platter or twist the spindle - old (and bad) habits die hard sometimes!


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