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Posted by Pete K on Aug-22-2006 13:13:

the politics of mixing

Myself and a few friends were having a chat last night about mixing, which is why I'm posting this topic today. Just a few questions...do you mix into the break of a track? How do you feel about double drops?

And if this already been discussed....I missed the thread...

Posted by Nemesis44 on Aug-22-2006 14:00:

Mixing is a live creative beast, if it sounds good it is right, if it sounds bad it's not.

It's more a question of if you are enhancing a track or trying to create a quick fix to mix out of a bad track.

Very often in dancefloor situations you will not be appreciated if you mix out of a break, especially if it's a big tune and people want to hear it.

If however you at a touch of creativity to the track but don't use the break as a mixpoint you can have a pleasing reaction. Especially if you create something that's more like a live mashup.

If you feel you have to mix out of the break you should probably question your choice to play it in the first place.

....

By double drop, what do you mean?

Dropping the track twice in a track... if that's what you mean, often it sounds like you pulled out of a mix and would suggest that you are not confident as a DJ.
But again there are always creative issues that need to be taken into account... By doing this do you make the track sound better than it is originally? Does it need it?

Plain and simple the answer to the questions is this, it all comes down to whether you are truly being creative or defending bad mixing skills/tune selection.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by Pete K on Aug-22-2006 14:27:

It's more so popular in dn'b...but by double drop I mean...when both tracks are lined up exactly and they drop at the same time..creating basically another track.

Posted by Protege on Aug-22-2006 14:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Pete K
It's more so popular in dn'b...but by double drop I mean...when both tracks are lined up exactly and they drop at the same time..creating basically another track.

I really cant imagine that sounding good.

Posted by djkoolaide on Aug-22-2006 14:47:

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Originally posted by Protege
I really cant imagine that sounding good.

It does. Usually helps if there's a live MC though, not sure why.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Aug-22-2006 14:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Protege
I really cant imagine that sounding good.

well in dnb if u kill the bass on one track and have the percs from the other track im sure it'll be ok, but if its just plain both tracks on top of each other then it'll sound god awful, bass and beats humming everywhere

Posted by harriz on Aug-22-2006 15:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44

Cheers
Nem

Cheers
Nem

Posted by djthunderbird on Aug-22-2006 16:35:

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ
well in dnb if u kill the bass on one track and have the percs from the other track im sure it'll be ok, but if its just plain both tracks on top of each other then it'll sound god awful, bass and beats humming everywhere

if youre mixing in key & tweak the EQs creatively, double dropping can sound extremelly good in almost every edm genre.

depends on the tracks too ofcourse.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Aug-22-2006 16:40:

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Originally posted by djthunderbird
if youre mixing in key & tweak the EQs creatively, double dropping can sound extremelly good in almost every edm genre.

depends on the tracks too ofcourse.

true that, though it maybe in key but then a sudden change in bassline can be rather nasty

though double dropping a breaks track ontop of a hard house jobby is not uncommon amonst me

Posted by Allied Nations on Aug-22-2006 16:55:

I will double drop in tech house, techno and tribal cuz that's the way it should be yo.

Posted by Paolo Fox on Aug-23-2006 05:32:

misleading title. i thought this was going to be about something completely different - and no pun intended on the politics of dancing!

Posted by Nemesis44 on Aug-23-2006 11:01:

I see what you mean.

Can be really effective but harmonics are really important for most genres... you would also have to be aware of the scales used as you could get some nasty assed clashes even if the tracks are in key with the root note.

Just because something is matched with the root it does not mean that the other notes in that scale are compatible with eachother.

Can be effective.
Try doing this with Spacial Enhancer and Punk'd. You can pretty much play the whole tracks together.

Cheers
Nem