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Ecler vs. A&H
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so ive been saving and saving for a while now and its getting close the the time that i will be buying my new mixer. for the last few months i have had my heart set on the xone :92 rotary. but now i am reading alot about this ecler nuo-5 and am wondering if it is on par in terms of audio quality.
i know all of the features of both mixers so i dont need a compare and contrast. i like the level meters on each chanel of the xone but i guess i could make do with a clip LED and the PFL meter of the nuo. one other thing that bothers me is that the software for the ecler is PC only and eventhough i have a PC now, my next laptop will be a Mac.
all i really want to know is, has anyone used both ecler and A&H (not necessarily these two specific models)? and what did you think about the quality (sound, feel, duribility and reliability) of the ecler compared to the A&H?
right now i am still leaning towards the xone :92, but the nuo is definitly making me think twice about it.
Thanks Guys!!!
Well I can say that the Xone is better quality, but the Nuo is still awesome, plus you need to hear them for yourself, everybodys ears are different and what you think sounds good, might sound crap the the next person, and vice versa, plus remember, if you get some high end mixer with amazing sound, you have to make sure the rest of your setup will not drag the sound quality down, you can have a Urei or Bozak mixer, but if your running it to your mums old Midi Hifi system, it will sound like shit.
Your equipment is only as strong as your weakest link.
They are both very hightly rated. Something of this quality is strictly about personal preference.
I disagree. The Nuo 5 beated every mixer I've tested so far (including the A&H. Especially crossfader abusers should really consider the Nuo 5. A&H uses P&G crossfaders, Ecler used a conductive fader. NOTHING beats a conductive fader.
Sound quality is also a bit better, but that's something only real audiopiles hear mostly. I like the RIAA filters in the Nuo 5 better. They really show off when it comes to quality, even with a crappy Stanton AL-500MKII cardridge.
Personally I feel Ecler's sound quality is on par with Allen & Heath products. My next mixer will be the Nuo-5, the main reason being its a top tier club mixer and on top of that you can do turntablism with the Nuo-5 and I'm into turntablism. The crossfader is straight up sick.
much thanks for the input everyone. since the ecler is alot cheaper than the xone its looking better an better. i just wasnt very familiar with ecler's quality and reputation. i really need to find someplace that has both of these mixers available for demo.
im not a big on crossfaders so that doesnt really matter to me that much, i do like the effects crossfader though, it looks really sweet. and if its PC only, maybe ill hold off on the mac and save myself some more $$ on my laptop.
great info guys, muchas gracias!
yeah the best thing to do is just find a place where you can try them both out. if your really into effects i think the Nuo will be the best route.
both are quality and you won't be let down by either. its just a matter of finding which one fits you best.
as was said earlier, if you really care about sound quality, the quality will be based on whatever your weakest piece of equipment is.
if you do plan on doing serious recording though for your mixes and recording vinyl to your comp to put on CD, i would go with the A&H, but make sure you have the best needles money can buy along with a good analog to digital interface
i wish i could be in your place right now, i'd kill for either mixer 
The A&H is a much better unit imo, it has endless cababilites including midi control for live remixing. and its alot better build quality..
Try both first, but the A&H imo is easily the best mixer on the market. NOTHING comews close just now.
I don't see any capabilities that the A&H has over the Ecler, the Nuo-5 is the king of live remixing.
p.s. that means it has midi too and reprogramable FX, if you wanna split hairs yes the A&H has slightly better sound quality but thats subjective.
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| Originally posted by Zild I don't see any capabilities that the A&H has over the Ecler, the Nuo-5 is the king of live remixing. p.s. that means it has midi too and reprogramable FX, if you wanna split hairs yes the A&H has slightly better sound quality but thats subjective. |
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| Originally posted by Vero yeah the ecler does have midi. and im not worried about "slightly" better sound quality, im worried about "an ecler is shit compared to A&H" which is not the case it seems. the reason that im not big on using effects is there is no way to get "versatile" effects, on the pioneers and such, the FX are very cut and dry, but with the progamable FX of the ecler, i think i would use them more. again, i need to test them both out and get a real feel for them. but if its a choice of 700 for "slightly" better sound quality, i am goin with the ecler. i just wish they made it in rotary, but that isnt too big of a deal |
Check out this topic:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=224633
Look for the Dj Tranz item on the first page for his contact info, he is one of the guys from djmart.com. The last page states that he should have info on Monday if they will be carrying Eclers or not.
I believe the agi quote will be $999.
Does the A&H have midi capabilities built in?
From their website (http://www.xone.co.uk/)....
MIDI output from VCF 1 2, crossfader, LFO (MIDI clock), dedicated data control and start/stop button
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| Originally posted by nrjizer Does the A&H have midi capabilities built in? |
After comparing both these mixers on a big system, in terms of sound quality I'd go for the A&H. Amazing 
Don't get me wrong the Nuo 5 is a great mixer but after using it quite alot I didn't think it was worth the money to be honest. The effects unit is nice to use and also the larger EQ nobs are a nice feature because you can be more accurate with your mixing. But its just not an Allen & Heath 
Once you get used to the four band EQ on the Xone 92 you don't want to go back. They've been in the game for along time, and it shows through the build and output quality thats put into these mixers.
Oh yea, I should mention that a mate of mine bought the Nuo-5 brand new 3 weeks ago. Soon after he had the chance to go on a Xone 92... hes already put the Ecler up on ebay 
The 92 is $500 - $700 more than the Nuo5, I wouldn't really put those 2 in the same category. For me, the mixers that are around the Ecler are...
Pioneer 600 (didn't price this)
A&H 62 ($900 best price)
Denon x1500 ($700 best price)
All of those mixers are under $1000 whereas the best price of the 92 I have found has been around $1500 for the non-rotary version. If you can afford to get the 92, by all means, get the 92. To me, the decision should be for if you can afford to spend $1000 on a mixer, which one would you go for?
Has anybody compared the Nuo5 vs the Xone 62 on a large system and not known which mixer was pumping out when? (ie: someone was in the booth playing on a mixer, then switched it out and played the same songs w/ the other mixer w/o you seeing it?) My gut feeling here is that the people who support the Nuo5 or the people that support the Xone were looking at the mixer and heard it that way, while in the back of their head, they have made up their mind before hearing it.
Ecler Nuo vs Allen Heath Xone vs Pioneer DJM vs Numark DXM
I am an audiophile. First mixer and players I owned was Numark DXM02 and CDJ200s. It was good enough sounding setup. The input fader started bleeding, then I got a Xone 32, one of the better mixers regardless of price. It really makes anything sound pleasant, but adds color and little good distortion. Then I sold the CDJ200s and Xone 32 because the Xone didn't have enough LEDs per channel and Cue PFL LEDs. So I got Ecler Nuo 2, Audio 2 DJ card, and CDJ101s midi decks. The sound changed completely, it became very dark green but still analog sounding. There was no distortion at any level unless I was a dickhead. The little excitement of the Xone 32 was lost, but I feel like the sound was much easier to listen to for longer periods. The Ecler has a dark yellow color in terms of sound, but the Audio 2 card makes it sound greenish. The Ecler warms up fully in about 30 minutes and that's when it sounds best. I will not sell this mixer until I have a major need of FX or superior sound quality. I've heard the DJM mixers, 600, 400, and 800 in clubs. They sound too refined to my ears, like there's some filtration/equalization going on or something. Ecler sounds more analog/smooth than any mixer I heard so far. It's hard to make it sound bad unless you're stupid. Though the clearest sound I heard so far was from Rane Empath. I haven't heard the DJM 909 but I am positive it sounds great too. So conclusion is, Pioneer sounds clear/refined, Allen Heath sounds warm/excited, Rane sounds clear/euphoric, and Ecler sounds warm/smooth.
And for those that want to get a vintage rotary Bozak/Urei, don't waste your money. Just get a stereo tube preamp and have it after your mixer. Results are much better and you don't have to get used to the Bozak/Urei workflow.
I am one of the few if not the only member on here with an EVO 5. It's the best djing related purchase I've ever made. Got it for 1k in 09 at the height of the economic downtown of a guy on eBay barely used.
Sound quality is really amazing when I record via FireWire straight from the build in mixer. Although this is their top line model, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Ecler to anyone. The Nuo 5 was their top model anyway.
Plus, you gotta love the fat knobs.
What's going on people? bumping a thread from 2004?
And what's with the "color is dark yellow"? WTF? Like that will make sense to anyone.
Pioneer (all of them) sound average at best, and turn to utter turd if you even begin to redline them.
Elcer are very good audio quality wise - I've never been a fan of their layouts or tactile feel but that's a personal preference. The always did huge EQ knobs but small fader knobs and spaced them out too much. I also didn;t like that the faders are really short throw on the EVO5 but again, it's personal preference.
A&H are great in terms of quality but the fader are really long throw on the zone making quick cuts a little bit difficult. They also have stupid vertical knobs which are a pain to use compared to the normal dj fader knobs. The routing on Xone's has always been a little wonky too (you have to patch out of the mixer on some, and go back in to another channel). The filters are great though and they're well made.
To be honest, if you ended up with either one of these brands they you're doing alright.
I'll stick with my vintage club install Vestax until it (and my brand new boxed spare) craps out on me.
Dark yellow makes perfect sense. I posted a link to a book in the thread paulino made about placing stuff in the stereo image, it covers a lot of the different colors different timbres have. should give it a read. probably the book from school I learned most from.
hmmm, not sure if serious or if you're just Acbar'ing right now 
hearing
we all have a bit different hearing and people have synesthesia, which is being able to put a color to any sound by instinct or natural feel. it's hard to explain but to other synesthedes it makes perfect sense. the only difference could be is that others will choose a different color.
so tell me what is Green sound? or orange? What frequencies are enhanced and decreased at those descriptions?
my mind interprets this phenomenon in terms of the electrical components combined to give that overall sound color. it's not so much as which frequencies are enhanced because enhancing something means amplifying it. usually tubes and FETs are components in the audio circuit that induce warmth. Filters are another great example. Warmth to me is anything related to yellow/orange colors and their shades and tints. warmth is also created by gentle harmonic distortion. to some people this will be complete bullshit, to others it will make complete sense
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