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Originally posted by future_newbie We're not talking taste here. You might like a horse farting for example, and that won't surprise me. But you can't ignore the technical aspect of it. You storyteller are another balloon on here. You might be even worst than clay actually.

fuck off little troll

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Originally posted by Storyteller ^^ What he said. The definition of sucking is probably closer to posting non-constructive content on a forum. Also I liked it. It has got a fun theme going that caught my attention. I miss the good old chiptune days .

+1

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Originally posted by evo8 fuck off little troll

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Originally posted by future_newbie You might be even worst than clay actually.

Might? For sure! Strange fella you.

Well well well...what a nice group we got here.

Basically all the "mr. nice guys" felt called into cause by my comment. And guess why...infact what I said is perfectly applicable to evo8 as well.

You are like a team of "the average Joe". (Except Paulinho who is simply retarded) you're all the epitome of mediocrity.
Seriously guys, you should wake up and see the reality. Throwing nice comments at each other after every wip won't help you. If you're not honest with yourselves you won't be going anywhere.

First you got Paulinho who's been using the same kick for years and basically making more or less the same track over and over again.

Then you got clay, the supposed expert who knows everything on theory, but fails miserably each time he posts something of his own. (It always amaze me how someone so precise on theory is so far away in practice).

Then you have evo8: A plain idiot who's more a number than a factor. He's there, says something as if he knows what he's talking about, fades away, than comes back again saying something pointless like "maybe the kick is too loud? maybe this?...maybe that?..."

Than we have Storyteller. And yes, his nickname is really appropriate cause he's nothing more than a storyteller. Talks about knowing Ferry Corsten for many years now, and I don't exclude that, but I'm just wondering what was his role in that circle. If I were to judge by his music I'd say he was cleaning the toilets in his studio, cause you can't explain otherwise such failure.
Even his newly founded lable "loving music" (such an original name) is going nowhere, and what could you expect from someone who is simply denied for the job...


So this is pretty much it. Is not a matter of liking the style or anything...is just the capacity of being critical and honest to yourself. Check "theterran" for example. I don't like his track stylistically, but I recognize he fulfills the definition of a wip and renders justice to the word. Putting an arpeggiator to a chord sequence (what clay posted) doesn't represent any wip honestly. It is just dicking around.
Why do you think people like Evolve, Richard Butler, TranceElevated or Clooney don't post anymore here? Because they understood they can't get anything valuable from here. You people slowly killed this place with your mediocrity and inability to be critical.

So yeah...I am trying to help you here. If you're smart you'll see the positive side of my comment. If you're not you'll keep crying like a little girl who's feelings were hurt.

This place needs a reality check people. Wake up, no more Mr. Nice guy.

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Originally posted by future_newbie Well well well...what a nice group we got here. Basically all the "mr. nice guys" felt called into cause by my comment. And guess why...infact what I said is perfectly applicable to evo8 as well. You are like a team of "the average Joe". (Except Paulinho who is simply retarded) you're all the epitome of mediocrity. Seriously guys, you should wake up and see the reality. Throwing nice comments at each other after every wip won't help you. If you're not honest with yourselves you won't be going anywhere. First you got Paulinho who's been using the same kick for years and basically making more or less the same track over and over again. Then you got clay, the supposed expert who knows everything on theory, but fails miserably each time he posts something of his own. (It always amaze me how someone so precise on theory is so far away in practice). Then you have evo8: A plain idiot who's more a number than a factor. He's there, says something as if he knows what he's talking about, fades away, than comes back again saying something pointless like "maybe the kick is too loud? maybe this?...maybe that?..." Than we have Storyteller. And yes, his nickname is really appropriate cause he's nothing more than a storyteller. Talks about knowing Ferry Corsten for many years now, and I don't exclude that, but I'm just wondering what was his role in that circle. If I were to judge by his music I'd say he was cleaning the toilets in his studio, cause you can't explain otherwise such failure. Even his newly founded lable "loving music" (such an original name) is going nowhere, and what could you expect from someone who is simply denied for the job... So this is pretty much it. Is not a matter of liking the style or anything...is just the capacity of being critical and honest to yourself. Check "theterran" for example. I don't like his track stylistically, but I recognize he fulfills the definition of a wip and renders justice to the word. Putting an arpeggiator to a chord sequence (what clay posted) doesn't represent any wip honestly. It is just dicking around. Why do you think people like Evolve, Richard Butler, TranceElevated or Clooney don't post anymore here? Because they understood they can't get anything valuable from here. You people slowly killed this place with your mediocrity and inability to be critical. So yeah...I am trying to help you here. If you're smart you'll see the positive side of my comment. If you're not you'll keep crying like a little girl who's feelings were hurt. This place needs a reality check people. Wake up, no more Mr. Nice guy.

Hah! this is gold!!! Please, keep going

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Originally posted by future_newbie Than we have Storyteller. And yes, his nickname is really appropriate cause he's nothing more than a storyteller. Talks about knowing Ferry Corsten for many years now, and I don't exclude that, but I'm just wondering what was his role in that circle. If I were to judge by his music I'd say he was cleaning the toilets in his studio, cause you can't explain otherwise such failure. Even his newly founded lable "loving music" (such an original name) is going nowhere, and what could you expect from someone who is simply denied for the job...

I'll gladly take the bait. Full disclosure, I don't care.
I never said that nor implied that. I have not met Ferry. I've got a close friend who works in his company. Dance Therapy (Ferry Corsten's management company) and Flashover Recordings (FC's label) are clients mine of web-based services I provide. I do that next to my day-job working for a innovator focussed marketing agency which happens to publish a music magazine named DJBroadcast as well - do notice the Storyteller reference in the footer .

Second regarding the label: There's a 100 page business plan supported by feedback coming from music industry innovators coaching record labels as Armada and Flashover recordings regarding their business strategies, a professor and several label owners. The name is not that original, I'll give you that. But strangely enough nobody took it apart from the .com. I've been keeping it for myself since beginning 2011 or so now.

The funny thing about Loving Music is it doesn't have to work. It's more so a business case where I want to prove that record labels as they exist currently have now place in this world. If it doesn't work that is fine. It's set up in a multi-sided market business model - It basically exists because I want it to and is funded with income generated by other sides of my businesses. It can remain at a loss financially indefinitely without a hitch. It is merely intended to be a promotional platform for artists, and a fun learning project for me hoping to prove a point.

Keep making frustrated posts. In the meantime I'll be busy with my 2 passions music & web, the things that keep me busy for the most parts of life. Aside from my future wife .

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Originally posted by evo8 Hah! this is gold!!! Please, keep going

I couldn't stop laughing, that post made my day.

All this shit talking, lets see you post a wip newb.

Pissed I didnt get a mention future ;"(, although I somewhat agree with him. Everyone here is just patting eachother on the back for the most part. Ofcourse this thread is only going to be as good as the people who contribute to it, there seems to be a lack of that around here. Its all good fun if you dont take it too seriously, its really hard to find quality people to bounce shit with that are very knowledgable or have a shit ton of talent, or both. Its the norm in everyday life, shit just get swamped; so I guess its a bit unrealistic to complain.

In b4 people who I've pissed off months ago talk shit to me.

Didn't you post something and got an actual response from clay?

Well since a lot of people here seem to be progressing I think this particular conversation isn't really needed. Also a lot of people here just aren't looking to get burnt down. One step at a time seems to be what most of the people here prefer and I can't blame em. If someome wants brutal honesty they can always ask for it.

All im saying is, we should lift the DJRYAN ban .

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Originally posted by MSZ Pissed I didnt get a mention future ;"(, although I somewhat agree with him. Everyone here is just patting eachother on the back for the most part. Ofcourse this thread is only going to be as good as the people who contribute to it, there seems to be a lack of that around here. Its all good fun if you dont take it too seriously, its really hard to find quality people to bounce shit with that are very knowledgable or have a shit ton of talent, or both. Its the norm in everyday life, shit just get swamped; so I guess its a bit unrealistic to complain. In b4 people who I've pissed off months ago talk shit to me.

I also agree that a lot of the feedback seems to be done to get it over with so that you can post your own track.

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Originally posted by MSZ Pissed I didnt get a mention future ;"(, although I somewhat agree with him. Everyone here is just patting eachother on the back for the most part. Ofcourse this thread is only going to be as good as the people who contribute to it, there seems to be a lack of that around here. Its all good fun if you dont take it too seriously, its really hard to find quality people to bounce shit with that are very knowledgable or have a shit ton of talent, or both. Its the norm in everyday life, shit just get swamped; so I guess its a bit unrealistic to complain. In b4 people who I've pissed off months ago talk shit to me.

I knew it you would substantially agree with me. And the patting on the back is exactly what I meant. Such behavior might be comfortable for the insecure, but it doesn't help in any way. I prefer some harsh and elaborated critic rather than "Hey Jim, liking the pluck there" or comments of this kind "maybe you could do this, maybe you could do that"...Like, what the fuck does it mean "maybe"? Do you know what you're talking about or you're just filling the comment section with random words? Maybe means nothing. Is uncertainty that is transmitted at the addressee.

It seems to me like I'm talking common sense here. Would like to hear what Clooney has to say about it.

This thread is what it is *insert cliche*

My advice is to friend likeminded people and talk to them on skype or something, you can help eachother and exchange techniques, information and what not. You'll get a much better experience if you're both dedicated.

Im not gonna talk about destructive feedback because im pretty trolly myself.

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Originally posted by clay Lol no one ever said to me I was good at theory before thanks. You got it all wrong though, it's my music that rocks. Not the theory I suck at theory. U must too as u seem to be impressed with the basic shit I learned at the age of 10. Again, just check the links I posted, you'll be shocked over its technicality and melodic abstraction and no theory was used in any of them, only pure talent. Yes I rock that much. 90 tracks and a few albums, all released. The fact that you took this little melodic sample as serious says more about you. If you look in music discussion you'll see where it came from. Also I didn't use arpegiator. U can get the project if you like. I plunked in every note. And added awesome lfos.

Bro, just stop it.
Do you know how many requests I got from semi-known labels to release my stuff? Tons. But is not worth it. I mean, for someone like you it might mean something, but I'm aiming higher than putting some average shit on iTunes and rejoice like a virgin who just got her first dick.

Those track are so bad I wonder how you weren't ashamed to post them.

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Originally posted by Seandroid I also agree that a lot of the feedback seems to be done to get it over with so that you can post your own track.

I think everyone's guilty of this.

However some members have gone that step further to help over pm and even Skype.

It's by no means perfect but the amount of posts made by members it must show it has its place here, yes?


If you're after pro detailed feedback, go and pay a subscription to any of the many providers that's available on the web, but I bet even then you'll not receive your monies worth.

Nortek will own you newb.

Turn it all the way.

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Originally posted by Andy28 I think everyone's guilty of this. However some members have gone that step further to help over pm and even Skype. It's by no means perfect but the amount of posts made by members it must show it has its place here, yes? If you're after pro detailed feedback, go and pay a subscription to any of the many providers that's available on the web, but I bet even then you'll not receive your monies worth.

I'm totally guilty of it lol. I liked it better when our WIPs were individual threads. We singlehandedly killed the music producers promo forum.

don't ever pay for feedback

anyone who is a pro will not charge you unless they can't pay their bills and need to do stupid shit like that ie illgates. Granted you can't just ask a stranger but most pros given your level will give you more time than you think. But generally you have to be rather good and need a little nudge in the right direction .

To be honest, I never understood the purpose of posting WIPs. You should always be your own harshest critic, and only consider a track done when you feel it's done. Then you can just post the completed track and get feedback, and decide whether you want to go back and tweak it or go forward and start a new track.

It's like Joey Jupiter once told me when I was buying his TR-606 - you make a bunch of tracks, and you hopefully find some of them decent enough for a release.

If you spend too much time on a single track, it's hard to move forward. I've always felt that the more I move forward and make new tracks, the more intuitive it became to work with my machines and get inspired. You'll always end up making some tracks that are better than others, and some of your finest work may take you the least amount of time to complete.

Woohoo. This is why we can't have nice things.

Anyway...The purpose of posting a work in progress is "supposed" to be to get some different feedback from other music producers. Maybe interjecting an idea you hadn't thought of, or sparking other creative content.

The thing about the human brain is adaptation...You listen to something of yours for so long, and only have a single perspective on it, there might be things you overlooked, can't hear, or otherwise wouldn't have thought of.

I've had numerous tracks that had input from friends, that positively added to the tune during the creation process. (even from people here *gasp*...)

The real problem is that it's hard to get that around here. Most seem only to care about their own endeavors, and like what was said already, only post a "yeah liked that" just to post up their own unfinished tune. I guess it's hard to really give a shit about someone else...

In theory this forum/thread should be a place for progressing...but in practice...not so much...Add to that the relatively small group of people who frequent here...

There's no reason this couldn't change, however.

Also disagreeing about spending time on a single track. If you know your unfinished track is good, or it caters to you in some way...there's nothing wrong with coming back to it every once in awhile and seeing it out to completion...

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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Originally posted by theterran Also disagreeing about spending time on a single track. If you know your unfinished track is good, or it caters to you in some way...there's nothing wrong with coming back to it every once in awhile and seeing it out to completion...

Nothing wrong about spending time on a track, and if it's unfinished and good, then you should see to its completion, and perhaps not move forward until you do so. If I started a track, I'd generally finish it - even if it took a while - before I'd start on a new one. That may also be because I used hardware, and would have to re-program everything if I wanted to come back to it. But I like hardware for that reason as well, among others. But as you said, different strokes...

I also agree it's nice to have a few friends or acquaintances who can provide some feedback. I've definitely requested a friend's feedback on final mixdowns, as I would often rack my brains about the final recording.

Im selling feedback for 59 cents per sentence. Nobody try to undercut me.

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