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Pykes? its only one bass and its a Moog one with one note.

I called it pykes because i don't find more suitable words to describe it, i am referring to the sound that just plays a note from 0:00 and the upper bassline that starts at 0:29

Edit: And Richard thanks for your opinion, the whole track spins around the field recording so i think would feel too empty without it, maybe is a track that requires more than a listen to start feeling it i was not very enthusiastic with it but finished it very quickly when i started getting that feeling.

Its a high passed lead FYI.

Finished in 12 hours plus I went to see oblivion in imax.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler New wip - will re-do vocals and add more of them. Any thoughts so far? Sorry for youtube - can't upload to SC right now.

Like it sounds nice

Really nice snare, how did you get that sound? lots of compression?

Perhaps you could have a break (drum beak i mean) set low in the background to glue the drums together more and give a slighy live feel?

Personally im not to keen on the vocals i would be inclined to get someone in (i would like female vocals on it, but i know thats not very original and its only my opinion)

I think it sounds pretty legit mate!

Would love to contribute myself but seem to be in an endless cycle of starting things, getting fed up with them and not finishing at the mo. Perhaps ill but up a little idea later


Edit- maybe post this up on dogs on acid when finished? Might be cool to get some opinions over there it might go down well

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Finished in 12 hours plus I went to see oblivion in imax.

how do u manage to make all the elements out of key again, just like the last track. i seriosly doubt that you have any ear for melody. the production is pretty good though, maybe you should make techno/prog instead, without melody!

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Originally posted by clay how do u manage to make all the elements out of key again, just like the last track. i seriosly doubt that you have any ear for melody. the production is pretty good though, maybe you should make techno/prog instead, without melody!

Yeah i suck, but you can't say i should stop if its my first 140 bpm tune finished. I really need to have a good hear for melodies, maybe if you tell me whats out of key i can fix it.

it sounds offkey all the way but i think it's mainly because of the bass. I am not good either but i think you should stick to a key and since the bass is static just follow the root note. If you don't know much about music theory just try different chords and choose the ones that sound good to you, if you still got no ear you can bring a friend or family member with you and show him 3 different melodies: Which one sounds best to you?

I used 2 loops thats why i finished it so fast. I guess my approach isn't good at all.
Wut if i used mixed in key on a bassline loop and work from there? ( Is that how its done?)

Anyway i feel like i learned a lot already

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino I used 2 loops thats why i finished it so fast. I guess my approach isn't good at all. Wut if i used mixed in key on a bassline loop and work from there? ( Is that how its done?) Anyway i feel like i learned a lot already

You use loops for your pitched content (that is, non-drum loops?)

And then you can't tell when one part is out of tune with another part, and you want someone else to "tell you which bits are out of key and you'll try to fix them"?

Do you ever even listen to music? Are your favourite songs in key, or are they a bunch of random notes thrown together?

To me this approach sounds like the "producer" in you has gone crazy, and the musician doesn't exist. You're concentrating on the individual sounds, on the balance of the mix etc, while not noticing that the whole musical structure is broken and the end result is worthless - not many people are going to listen to an out of key song for enjoyment.

Now I understand how those couple of out-of-key notes have crept into some of the later trancemaster releases. More and more people with zero experience of real instruments, zero experience of songwriting, who think they can just skip all that and stick loops together and focus on "their image".

If you're going to focus solely on production and not care about music at all, at least use white noise/ animal sounds/ non-musical sounds, and mix them together. There are entire genres based around non-musical production where you'll be able to find the audience you're after.

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Originally posted by derail You use loops for your pitched content (that is, non-drum loops?) And then you can't tell when one part is out of tune with another part, and you want someone else to "tell you which bits are out of key and you'll try to fix them"? Do you ever even listen to music? Are your favourite songs in key, or are they a bunch of random notes thrown together? To me this approach sounds like the "producer" in you has gone crazy, and the musician doesn't exist. You're concentrating on the individual sounds, on the balance of the mix etc, while not noticing that the whole musical structure is broken and the end result is worthless - not many people are going to listen to an out of key song for enjoyment. Now I understand how those couple of out-of-key notes have crept into some of the later trancemaster releases. More and more people with zero experience of real instruments, zero experience of songwriting, who think they can just skip all that and stick loops together and focus on "their image". If you're going to focus solely on production and not care about music at all, at least use white noise/ animal sounds/ non-musical sounds, and mix them together. There are entire genres based around non-musical production where you'll be able to find the audience you're after.

I dont really care wut you told me, becuase i finished this song in less than a day. This is my not my best track but it was damn well easy as fuck and thats what i wanted to prove to myself. I been at it for only 2 years. All i need now is work in one scale and thats it, good bye to you sir.

Edit: you act as if i like working out of key. It was only a mistake so fuck off.

well the first tune i made took me like 3 months of intense working to be finished, production is shit (i didn't even use automations i believe), musically has some good points but the overall concept sinks from every corner... but i still receive very very good feedback about that tune and the only reason i can find is that i really put effort into it maximizing my little skills.

You can't expect to have a killer tune in a few hours, it's very cool to get excited by your own track and spend 3 hours in a row with it but even if you feel you could go on i'd not spend more than 3 hours a day... it's better to pick some reference tracks of what you want to achieve and take some of their ideas plus your own and slowly start drawing a bigger picture, slamming loops for the sake of doing it won't work.

About melodies... i prefer to make small melodies of something i have on my head rather than something too intrincate, every time i want to make an epic uplifter the melody start sounding awkward at some point when i want to make it too complex, maybe if i knew more i could make something that is both innovative and ear candy at the same time but for 90% of mortals is better to stick with something easier and use your strenghts instead.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino I been at it for only 2 years.

you should be able to put things in key after a week. consider getting a piano to actually learn chords and scales? or maybe just focus on beats and grooves.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Edit: you act as if i like working out of key. It was only a mistake so fuck off.

you arent really good on critics man. your mistake is like a kid putting on left shoe on right leg. its really nothing you practise, u just understand it imidiatly or you will never get it imo. you could have a piano next to it and try to play every note you hear in your samples to "figure out the mystery", but that really, REALLY retarded. good thing is your mix though, pretty clear and tight. make prog/tech.

Back to topic finished this today which should be the side B of an EP with a track i posted here a few weeks ago.

Rodriii by Rodrisantos on Mixcloud

Forget you palm. You need to focus on making better kicks atleast.

i know. i dont know how. 10 years now and i dont improve. melody sound design and structure are fine, mixing sux.

jk

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino I dont really care wut you told me, becuase i finished this song in less than a day. This is my not my best track but it was damn well easy as fuck and thats what i wanted to prove to myself. I been at it for only 2 years. All i need now is work in one scale and thats it, good bye to you sir. Edit: you act as if i like working out of key. It was only a mistake so fuck off.

Why is production speed important to you, rather than ensuring that the song isn't terrible? You're focusing on things which will guarantee you won't improve musically - as I said, it's up to you whether you care about the musical side of things or not - there are plenty of non - musical genres.

Your "it was only a mistake" comment concerns me the most.

Accidentally leaving a filter automated in a certain position is a "mistake". Accidentally cutting off a reverb tail is a "mistake".

Not being able to tell that your songs are totally out of key? Thinking that that's a small problem which is easily fixed? That's a fundamental issue, that's something you should have worked out before you started producing music.

You can choose to get angry and start swearing at me, that's your choice. You can also choose to work out what you want to do musically (such as writing your own music rather than using loops) and whether you're prepared to put in the time to learn how to do that.

One tip - making music, accepting criticism, is all much easier when you kill off your ego. Forget your idea of "being a fantastic producer" and focus only on making fantastic music.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Back to topic finished this today which should be the side B of an EP with a track i posted here a few weeks ago. Rodriii by Rodrisantos on Mixcloud

cool track, nicely mixed, be nice if you could add something else after the break but not sure what exactly?

heres something i was working on for a while this evening, more of a harder techno sound, opinions welcome!

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Originally posted by evo8 cool track, nicely mixed, be nice if you could add something else after the break but not sure what exactly? heres something i was working on for a while this evening, more of a harder techno sound, opinions welcome!

played both tracks and liked them@rodri i like that vocal you used very good indeed.

here is a house track im working on

https://soundcloud.com/stewart-mays/yogo1

up dated version


https://soundcloud.com/stewart-mays/yogo

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Originally posted by stewart.m up dated version https://soundcloud.com/stewart-mays/yogo

I think the snare needs to be turned up some, and the sub bass might be a little too low (so maybe the whole track needs to come up a few notes). Also, I think it needs more elements, or a change up in the structure so it isn't too repetitive.





I always like listening to your tracks. Some really high quality production work. As long as this one continues to build and is structured right it should be a good techno track.

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I don't think many active members listen to or produce much 'house' music on Tranceaddict, but any advice on this track is appreciated. I have been watching a lot of tutorials and reading about the technical side of production lately, with a focus on synth creation and selection, as I think it has been my biggest weakness since I started producing. I used a tutorial to make the synth playing at the beginning on Synth1, a freeware synth. Also, I used a tutorial to make the bass at the climax, a very common bass I have tried to make many times. This starts at the second breakdown and goes through the second climax and into the outro.

thanks for comments peeps

stewart - i think you could cut some sub off that, wee bit too heavy IMO
caleb - not my style but i can see what your going for! production is good i think!

EVO - really decent techno that. I'd like to hear some more rapid closed hats bang in from about 1.20.

It just needs now something clearly defined and distinctive to take it from good techno background to a track with a memorable personality. Excellent bass, beats and groove.

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