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Cool, but no low end... no bass here.

Hey guys, could you please post "examples to what you should try to do" as links, and not embeds, as they're making this page slooow as hell to load when yur not on noob 8 ppp view.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos About the mainstage dutch house: First of all i see a phrasing issue here, that breakdown should start around the 1 minute mark to match the 64 bars most dutch house djs follow as it is can work if you know in advance that have to press play at 32 but it's better to follow the standards. Then i don't like the sound design this is probably because i don't like the electroish leads but what i am sure is that they have to be more powerful, add some release and layer it with something like this: Check the drop at ~3:00 i am not sure how that is done i think it's a hard sidechain with some predelay but that could add some body to your stabs. Percussion is fine don't touch it and breakdowns work. ----------------------------------------------------------------- And now i've added some changes following your advice making the track more fitting to techno standards.

Hey, thanks for the advice. The song you posted is a little more progressive and trancey than what I am trying to make right now, but I agree 1 minute is a standard intro for an original mix in most EDM (I was trying for more of a radio edit.) Anyway, the track I posted wasn't working so I moved on.

As for your track, I think if you use some good techno reference tracks, you can finish that one off. The sub maybe a little too loud, and I think the song needs a little more drive and focus. I see it as an opening DJ type techno song in Ibiza in summer or something. I like the parts at 2:17-2:30 and from 3:00 - 3:30.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Sorry to post another so soon but I wanna finish this one as I'm in the mood for it right now and don't want to let the motivation slip by. Where would you take this track after this? Go to just bass n drums or what?

I am seeing an original style develop with your tracks. They seem to have a distinctiveness to them. Your stuff kind of reminds me of Underworld or Hybrid or something, that is less club or festival oriented and more album or mix CD friendly.

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Originally posted by itsamemario Hey guys, could you please post "examples to what you should try to do" as links, and not embeds, as they're making this page slooow as hell to load when yur not on noob 8 ppp view.

How about ditching the dial up connection? It's like being forced to sit through basic arrhythmic in your Quantum Mathematics class just just to accommodate the one retard in the room

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 I am seeing an original style develop with your tracks. They seem to have a distinctiveness to them. Your stuff kind of reminds me of Underworld or Hybrid or something, that is less club or festival oriented and more album or mix CD friendly.

What would you suggest honestly to get this more club / festival freindly? This will seem like a lame ass question for some.

I was thinking some of the synth parts should be stuttered and mangled and what not, and maybe a more agressive edited the shit of it bass?

A longer build up and less melodic drop, if you are going for club friendly. I think a lot of people would like the style you are making though, especially as you perfect it. I understand wanting to make mainstream EDM though, I am trying to develop that style as well.

I think a lot of the best advice comes from those who are most successful doing something (right now I can only relay tips I have heard from more experienced producers). There is some good advice about making popular music in this video:

i was about to burn you for heretics... posting a Guetta video in production studio... but i've found it interesting and worthy- Has surprised to me that i know 90% of what he says and that i expected him to know less honestly... the 175hz mono idea is what is new for me mostly and the end of the video when he talks about creating an effect with feelings/hard bass.

Expected something different as this doesn't really give you any help to produce commercial music, the only things i've extracted from it in this matter are:

1.-Use short kicks/slow sidechain
2.-Make it loud for commercial music, i am sure you also like loudness on club tracks so won't blame him here.
3.- A commercial track must have at least a melody breakdown and a huge drop with some silence previously to create contrast.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos About the mainstage dutch house: First of all i see a phrasing issue here, that breakdown should start around the 1 minute mark to match the 64 bars most dutch house djs follow as it is can work if you know in advance that have to press play at 32 but it's better to follow the standards. Then i don't like the sound design this is probably because i don't like the electroish leads but what i am sure is that they have to be more powerful, add some release and layer it with something like this: Check the drop at ~3:00 i am not sure how that is done i think it's a hard sidechain with some predelay but that could add some body to your stabs. Percussion is fine don't touch it and breakdowns work. ----------------------------------------------------------------- And now i've added some changes following your advice making the track more fitting to techno standards.

It sounds very strange to me to just reduce the volume of the lead without anything else to take its place.

When you have your breakdown and you go back to the original lead, i would say take out the hi percs so it sounds more like a break down. The final drop doesn't really hit like a drop.

THanks for posting,the volume drop on the lead is unintended i don't know what has happened when exporting... when it comes back is quieter than it should too...

Apart from this the breakdown has a filter on one of the longer hi hats it's a standard techno breakdown, normally the hi hats continue during the breakdown is a form of creating contrast between sections but keep people tapping their foot.

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 A longer build up and less melodic drop, if you are going for club friendly. I think a lot of people would like the style you are making though, especially as you perfect it. I understand wanting to make mainstream EDM though, I am trying to develop that style as well. I think a lot of the best advice comes from those who are most successful doing something (right now I can only relay tips I have heard from more experienced producers). There is some good advice about making popular music in this video:

And Rodri -

WHAT THE FUCK?

You guys think that had any useful content? Really just the most astoundingly obvious tips, most of which are older than Jesus, like mono your bass frequencies, add a stereo delay to pan things left and right, compress after reverb.....oh and the best bit of advice? ADD SIDECHAIN TO EVERYTHING.

Seriously, if you put that up as a transcript on TA, it would come across like one of Eddie Zilker's Amusing Ironic Guides.

This is actually quite a Poignant example of everything that's wrong with dance pop (note: I am not calling is commercial house on purpose, cos it's not).

It's all just gimmicks and literally no content; It's all just sidechained reverbs for groove, a kick and a bass line that "take up the entire low end" and that his tracks completely redline (and no, frenchie, it doesn't sound good).......At one point he admits the example track "has no elements".

Is this really what it comes to? Bad sound selection, bad engineering and incredibly obvious advice but people lapping it up like it's a revelation straight from Jesus' cock.

I mean I know it's still better than that Future Music Video of SHM looking like a bunch of gay men in a Vegas strip club - you know, sweating profusely, not knowing what to look at or touch.

it's not new for me but i find interesting that the things i did without knowing very deeply why i should, he explains the reason behind them, it's not a master class obviously as there is no innovative stuff going on.

The focus is what fails here his entire interview should have been like the last 5 minutes, explaining how to make the arrangements, hooks, types of melodies... anything that makes commercial tracks be so successful, even marketing and networking... i am sure he could teach you something about this.

Whereas if i could choose someone to tech me technical things guetta should be in the latest positions in my list.

He looks and talks like a gay but honestly i expected less given the fact that Joachim Garraud seems to make all his tunes.

The thing is though, he obviously could write a track. Same like Tiesto. Once upon a time they could actually make music and did.

It's a commercial decision; dress like an utter cunt and fist pump to a premixed CDR, while a multinational PR company violates all forms of media with your bland message of pop-dance music created by someone else.

That doesn't take away from the fact he could probably sit on front of a mac and churn out 6mins of the same rubbish. I didn't expect him to be clueless as such. SHM, with exception to Steve Angello, are a different story. Completely, painfully, lost in a studio.

But in that vid there's really nothing in there that you shouldn't already know as a producer that has had proper release on labels.

Even from a communication point of view; it has no flow, the content jumps about, it's badly edited and again, the tips are kind of EDM 101 for douchebags. I like that he actually seemed a little humbler than I thought he would, especially that he's trying to help some studends, but the message is bad kids. Just say no.

finally got around to finishing this one - have at it! (p.s. i didnt put this file thru a limiter so may need to turn up your volume)

Sounds very old school, the moog type synth may need some tuning and i see you could still add more things to make it more interesting, some psy bleeps or minimal percussions.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Sounds very old school, the moog type synth may need some tuning and i see you could still add more things to make it more interesting, some psy bleeps or minimal percussions.

thanks for the feedback!

bit deepr...

Not really my cup of tea but it sounds alright. Could use a more present snare maybe?

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Originally posted by Raphie bit deepr...

What is ironic is that i like the first seconds, i think that instead of making a progressive house track out of this you could start adding tech house percussions onwards, more rythimic rather than melodic, it has the groove already.

About suenserea track i am not listening on proper speakers to judge deeply i see a problem with the bass but can't hear it so won't comment until i can listen to it will do back home.

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Originally posted by evo8 finally got around to finishing this one - have at it! (p.s. i didnt put this file thru a limiter so may need to turn up your volume)

this is cool! love the groove on this. only thing i would work with is possibly a more cohesive stereo placement for some of the panned things. to me they seem to be distracting a bit from the stereo field.

cool to post "finished" things here? i just finished up this remix for a contest. only things i'm not sure about mixing-wise are the levels of the snare, vocals and backing pads. i'm mixing on studio cans, but checked on ipod earphones, car system, and phone speaker. each time i refine and listen again on different systems, i'm never at the point where i can say "yeah that's really close or dead-on" in regards to those levels.

what do you think? any glaring errors with eq or levels? how's the kick sound to you? thanks!

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do you think this one is worth finishing or not? Be honest as I'd hate to waste time on it if not good.

All this needs is a banging loud in your face kick and snare, then job done! Are you planning on finishing this Rich? Hope so..

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Originally posted by Sensuerea Not really my cup of tea but it sounds alright. Could use a more present snare maybe?

Sounds quite nice would love to hear more of this. The snare needs to be brought forward more but overall has a really good groove.


@kadomony

Not my thing at all but it sounds very well mixed, nothing sounds out of place and levels all seem fine to me


So here is my wip of yet another track I won't finish (still aint broke the habbit) :/

Anotherwip1 no changes suggested i like what i hear a lot sounds like old Alex MORPH tracks, just finish it, find a good melody and follow this line, this is a cool intro.



Some sort of cheesy club trance, the build ups are clipping i believe i wanted to make something wild and loud.

David Guetta trained me!

damn this thread is doing better than i expected. looks like i may have to participate



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Yeah me too.

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Originally posted by kadomony this is cool! love the groove on this. only thing i would work with is possibly a more cohesive stereo placement for some of the panned things. to me they seem to be distracting a bit from the stereo field. cool to post "finished" things here? i just finished up this remix for a contest. only things i'm not sure about mixing-wise are the levels of the snare, vocals and backing pads. i'm mixing on studio cans, but checked on ipod earphones, car system, and phone speaker. each time i refine and listen again on different systems, i'm never at the point where i can say "yeah that's really close or dead-on" in regards to those levels. what do you think? any glaring errors with eq or levels? how's the kick sound to you? thanks!

yeah the only thing for me is the kick, i just want it to have a bit more punch, but then im not sure if it would suit the track? Otherwise everything else mixed well imo!

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Anotherwip1 no changes suggested i like what i hear a lot sounds like old Alex MORPH tracks, just finish it, find a good melody and follow this line, this is a cool intro. Some sort of cheesy club trance, the build ups are clipping i believe i wanted to make something wild and loud. David Guetta trained me!

certainly loud anyway!!!

heres another one im working on

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