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Originally posted by Ted Promo right now... $345 with in-the-usa shipping http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s=tab%3DSelling three days left. But I thought you already had a Xone 92 which would make this purchase rather pointless, haha.

meh, i'll think about it... yeah i have the 92, but i really want a pio mixer!

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Originally posted by a.chan meh, i'll think about it... yeah i have the 92, but i really want a pio mixer!

I'm sorry but Xone92 >>>> DJM500.

hum thinking about it... A&H >>>>>>>>>>>> Pio

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker I'm sorry but Xone92 >>>> DJM500.

F'real. That's plainly obvious though.

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hum thinking about it... A&H >>>>>>>>>>>> Pio

That is personal preference though

I've never even touched anything by A&H, but Pioneer seems to have everything so easily laid out. Very quick to pick up and mixing can become an almost natural type of thing on them (in my opinion).

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Originally posted by Ted Promo I've never even touched anything by A&H, but Pioneer seems to have everything so easily laid out. Very quick to pick up and mixing can become an almost natural type of thing on them (in my opinion).

Indeed. A&H DJ Mixers are more like "studio mixer" I would say. Before DJing, I was a sound tech so I learned on studio and big mixers (like Mackie, Soundcraft, etc). This is why I much prefer the Xone. The Pio is much more easier, but I'd say not as versatile as the Xone.

But that's just my 2c

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker Indeed. A&H DJ Mixers are more like "studio mixer" I would say. Before DJing, I was a sound tech so I learned on studio and big mixers (like Mackie, Soundcraft, etc). This is why I much prefer the Xone. The Pio is much more easier, but I'd say not as versatile as the Xone. But that's just my 2c

and they sound pretty shit


i think its hilarious when djs use vinyl with the pioneer...

DIGITAL!



the sound on the a&hs just destorys that plasticy digital nasty sound of the djm800

Had to restore this thread but lost the info from the forum it was in

was it in this forum or another one?

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Originally posted by Swamper Had to restore this thread but lost the info from the forum it was in was it in this forum or another one?

This one, thanks for the restore Swamper!!

i gotta say something about the a&h vs. pio thing altho i'm no expert on the subject.
when i started djing i bought a djm-300s. i pretty much hated it from the start, didn't really know why back then. sure, it was simple to use and all, but i just didn't like it.
then i bought a vestax pcv-175 and immediately noticed that i liked its sound much more. it wasn't as simple as the pioneer but that didn't bother me one bit.
then i grew out of it and got a xone:92 and immediately fell i love with it. i love the sound and everything else. sure it has some controls that take some getting used to, but so what? you'll get used to them and you'll fucking love it as it's a fucking brilliant mixer, pretty much the best on the market atm.

so if i'd sort the mixers i've had based on the ease of use, the order would be this:
pioneer > vestax > allen & heath
if i'd sort them by sound quality the order would be much different:
allen & heath > vestax > pioneer
and if i would sort them by the general feel of playing with them it would be:
allen & heath > vestax > pioneer
even though the pioneer is the easiest of them to use.


sure, this comparison is kinda stupid as each of these mixers are in a totally different price range. and i really have no idea how much the djm-600 and the 300 differ on feel and sound quality but i do think they're very similar, the 600 just has more features. and i have no idea how much better the djm-400 and 800 are.
the vestax is a rather old model and i have no idea how it compares to newer ones, but i liked it (altho it looked horrible and had some things i didn't like about it).
i also have never played on any other a&h than my precious xone:92 rotary, so i don't know how they would compare.

but from all this i'd say that i would never get a pioneer mixer again, even if my xone broke and i couldn't afford a new one. i just don't like them at all, they don't really seem professional enough to me.
if i couldn't afford an a&h i'd get a vestax (or a rane, but i have never tested one so i have no idea if i'd like a rane).

i dunno if my rambling made any sense. i just woke up. but i felt like i needed to say something on the subject. and the general point is something like: pioneer mixers aren't as good as they seem IMO.

when using a dvs...which mixer would be better? i remember somebody saying since you have a digital source, the pio would be better for a dvs. contemplating picking up a new mixer...dont know yet as to which one though

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Originally posted by skip i gotta say something about the a&h vs. pio thing altho i'm no expert on the subject. when i started djing i bought a djm-300s. i pretty much hated it from the start, didn't really know why back then. sure, it was simple to use and all, but i just didn't like it. then i bought a vestax pcv-175 and immediately noticed that i liked its sound much more. it wasn't as simple as the pioneer but that didn't bother me one bit. then i grew out of it and got a xone:92 and immediately fell i love with it. i love the sound and everything else. sure it has some controls that take some getting used to, but so what? you'll get used to them and you'll fucking love it as it's a fucking brilliant mixer, pretty much the best on the market atm. so if i'd sort the mixers i've had based on the ease of use, the order would be this: pioneer > vestax > allen & heath if i'd sort them by sound quality the order would be much different: allen & heath > vestax > pioneer and if i would sort them by the general feel of playing with them it would be: allen & heath > vestax > pioneer even though the pioneer is the easiest of them to use. sure, this comparison is kinda stupid as each of these mixers are in a totally different price range. and i really have no idea how much the djm-600 and the 300 differ on feel and sound quality but i do think they're very similar, the 600 just has more features. and i have no idea how much better the djm-400 and 800 are. the vestax is a rather old model and i have no idea how it compares to newer ones, but i liked it (altho it looked horrible and had some things i didn't like about it). i also have never played on any other a&h than my precious xone:92 rotary, so i don't know how they would compare. but from all this i'd say that i would never get a pioneer mixer again, even if my xone broke and i couldn't afford a new one. i just don't like them at all, they don't really seem professional enough to me. if i couldn't afford an a&h i'd get a vestax (or a rane, but i have never tested one so i have no idea if i'd like a rane). i dunno if my rambling made any sense. i just woke up. but i felt like i needed to say something on the subject. and the general point is something like: pioneer mixers aren't as good as they seem IMO.

Yeah I mean it's totally not fair to compare a DJM 300 with a Xone 92. You'd notice a huge difference in sound quality on a 400/700/800 that, I don't care what anyone says, is totally comparable to a Xone. If you're on an all digital connection especialy, I personally think the Pios sound better than a Xone. It's a matter of opinion though.

finally completed my setup..

nice

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Originally posted by brian

Now thats sexy.

wow what table is that?

the black leather padding reminds me of a dominatrix whore house or something

dude i dont see the whole OMG A&H PWNS PIO thing

ive tried both mixers and prefer the sound and setup of the djm800, plus onboard fx saves me an extra 500 and a full channel

what gives with the A&H purists

xone 92 vs pioneer 800

thoughts?

roflz

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Originally posted by zack3082 xone 92 vs pioneer 800 thoughts?

vestax vmc-004

Awhile back i posted about my new house a burning because of a kid and his fire bug habits. I have some good news over it and all. Just today earlier in the day the judge in juvenile court found the kid guilty as charge and sentenced the kid 2 years in juvenile hall with 1 year suspended only if he completes classes for it and is in good behavior and 4 years probation once he out juvenile hall. Then at end the judge found parents guilty of not supervising the kid and they where ordered 800 hours community service at a local homeless shelter between the both of em.

This was not the first time it happened so judge wasn't nice to the kid parents or to the kid. After all that on behalf my insurance company they helping me try claim money from the other insurance company that kids parents have. So it is step in right way in terms of the kid getting what he deserved. But the next process will be long drawing out battle between the two insurance carriers.

I sold my DJM 500 for a new MacBook



so now I've got:

2x Pioneer CDJ 200's
1x Senheiser HD 280 headphones
2x Alesis monitors

MacBook specs

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2g
4 gigs DDR2 RAM
120gig SATA HD
8x CD/DVD Superdrive

now I need to get a mixer again \o/

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Originally posted by wesleysnipez Awhile back i posted about my new house a burning because of a kid and his fire bug habits. I have some good news over it and all. Just today earlier in the day the judge in juvenile court found the kid guilty as charge and sentenced the kid 2 years in juvenile hall with 1 year suspended only if he completes classes for it and is in good behavior and 4 years probation once he out juvenile hall. Then at end the judge found parents guilty of not supervising the kid and they where ordered 800 hours community service at a local homeless shelter between the both of em. This was not the first time it happened so judge wasn't nice to the kid parents or to the kid. After all that on behalf my insurance company they helping me try claim money from the other insurance company that kids parents have. So it is step in right way in terms of the kid getting what he deserved. But the next process will be long drawing out battle between the two insurance carriers.

good to hear everything worked out for you.

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Originally posted by Marcus007 dude i dont see the whole OMG A&H PWNS PIO thing ive tried both mixers and prefer the sound and setup of the djm800, plus onboard fx saves me an extra 500 and a full channel what gives with the A&H purists

I think it's like saying my Lambo owns your Porsche. You're dealing with mixers that are extreme top of the line and as such none of them are anywhere near being crap. This being the case people delineate the two based on experiences and preferences, most of which are subjective.

You mentioned the Xone's lack of onboard effects as a reason for the Pio being the better option. Well, being a Xone owner one of the reasons I bought the mixer is cause I couldn't give a toss about effects. I had onboard effects on my last mixer and barely ever touched it. The big thing that pulled me to the Xone was the sound quality which I prefer over the Pio, but that's just my preference. You see where I'm going here?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it all really comes down to personal preference. I prefer the DJM for the one or two times a year when I feel ADD-ish and spin Hard Techno, but I prefer A&H mixers for when I spin what I usually spin. Debating which mixer is the best is the equivalent of debating vinyl vs. cd vs. mp3. It's pointless.

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