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Originally posted by jonmitz hmm yes that is it (also laughing at "esoteric" - lol? none of these are esoteric, but if you'd like i can easily provide an incredibly esoteric genre or two for you that would make this competition nearly impossible)

Oh no, not five rolleyes in a row!

I'm sure you spend all day reading wanky blogs discussing the week-long rise and fall of Japanese glitch bass, but save me your knowledge. "Psychedelic/tribal" is not a "straightforward" genre choice at all, unless you're one of these unwittingly racist hippies who associate everything non-Western with "tribal" "spiritualism", and promptly combine North American dreamcatchers with mahagony African carvings in your tasteless living room and Mongolian throat wailing on top of Arabic percussion on your awful psy-dub album, a predilection that seems to increase in direct proportion with how much LSD one imbibes.

It just strikes me as mighty suspicious that you posted an incredibly vague genre term and when queried your first link was to your own mix. Then you replace your suggestion with a fabricated genre fusion that just so happens to be the concept behind one of your most recent mixes. In the last challenge you shat out a mix within days of the competition starting that was incredibly tenuously linked to the chosen theme, and then vanished without giving any feedback on anyone else's mixes at all. Looking back through your posting history, you've commented on one other TA's mix in the whole of 2014 despite throwing out 10+ mixes and wondering aloud why nobody on here is giving you any replies. It all adds up to a picture of someone who is only here to try and get some response to your mixes.

yeah man you have me all figured out, good job.

if any of the three submissions ive given are okay to anyone, pick that, if not, drop me out of the competition? i'm not going to engage you in a slapfight.


e: out of pure curiousity, System-J, what genre would you place this song?



I'm happy to correct the way I characterize music. What do you want to call this? Psychedelic world fusion? I'm using soundcloud, last.fm, other sources (i.e. bandcamp), and my own ears to determine what I tag my music as. It's just fucking words used to describe sounds, don't get so bent out of shape.

Jon, he's got a point. Right now you're spinning your wheels, editing and re-editing your posts desperately trying to defend yourself, and for what reason? To try and dispel any notion that you aren't exactly what Jack was pointing out? Your effort in the last challenge was extremely loosely connected to the theme and half-hearted to most listeners. We have an issue with your insistence to suggest themes of mixes featuring hyperspecific genres that you have recently done.

As far as the YouTube link you posted goes, trying to pigeonhole Desert Dwellers into one type of sound is disingenuous. They are multiple things, chillout with psychedelic and tribal influences. That doesn't mean you have to tag them with an exact label, nor should you suggest that someone base a mix on a sound that only a couple of artists even remotely match.

I collect my songs in buckets and all the genres I have put forth are a few of said buckets - this isn't me playing some grand 10th dimensional chess to get people to listen to some mixes I did half a year ago (I still dont understand that comment). I edited my posts because they were bad, plain and simple - so I'm sorry for that, it's why I fixed them. I will spend more time creating my posts in the future in one single go so there aren't edits.

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So right now we have NY Hard House, which is fairly specific (imo, since it's regional), and funky breaks, which is self describing and pretty straightforward.

I want to make sure I pick a genre I know about so I can properly give whoever gets it a good starting point, as well as having the type of music freely available (both of my suggestions have a lot of free music downloads via SC and BC). However, this is complicated by the fact that I am being called out for choosing genres that have been in mixes I have done before. There aren't many genres of music I listen to that I havent made a mix of.

1) So my first entry (bass) was way too loose - granted. I wanted to pick something that was general enough to give someone a fair amount of leeway with as it has a lot of ways it can be interpretted. So forget that idea as it seems we want something more specific.

2) My next entry, as you claim, is hyperspecific. I would love to have that explained to me. Here are a few festivals that focus either entirely or majorly on this type of music. There are a lot more. One of them (ozora) even calls itself a psychedelic tribal festival right on their website. (Guess they are just new age hippy racists, though? idk)

So is this submission acceptable, or is it hyperspecific? Is it not P.C. enough? should we change it to "world fusion psychedelic"? Or is that still to hyperspecific? "Psychedelic" is obviously not specific enough. What modifier do I need to add to make it acceptable? I honestly don't care what you call it. To be fair to myself, I usually call it neotribal psychedelic, to diverge from classical tribal electronic music. Please don't get offended by this.


If 2 is too hyperspecific I'll pick something else. Really not a big deal.

If it's progressive, I'm in.

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Originally posted by jonmitz e: out of pure curiousity, System-J, what genre would you place this song?

It just sounds like generic ethno-flavoured downtempo that you hear in Indian restaurants and on those Buddha Bar 27 compilations in supermarkets, albeit with a mild dubstep influence on the production aesthetic.

These festivals you're linking to are just psy festivals that also have chill-out stages. I'm guessing what you're trying to nominate is "psy-chill" which is broad enough to cover a few micro-niches and yet a term I'm pretty sure everyone will understand.

No, Jon, I'm not offended by the way you label your music for yourself or for others to hear. But when you're taking part in a genre competition, "world fusion psychedelic" means almost nothing to most people. They might have a general idea of what you're trying to get at, but it's not an established genre that you would be able to develop a mix with.

Again, you're taking a more refined approach to suggesting a genre than you would if you were to suggest psychill. Psychill is the larger umbrella in which your "tribal/world/ethnic/fusion/indian/bingbingbing" downtempo music falls under. Downtempo is the even larger umbrella that houses psychill.

For instance:

Trance
--> Tech Trance
---->Dreamy Tech Cyber Whateverthefuck Specific Label or Artist's Sound Trance

I want you aiming for that second tier when you suggest a genre. So I recommend you keep it at psychill. Let the person who receives the genre decide if they want to go in the ethnic fusion chicken tikka masala direction if they want. Cool?

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Originally posted by michaelmay If it's progressive, I'm in.

Nah, you didn't bother to read the original post so you're not in.

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Originally posted by ziptnf No, Jon, I'm not offended by the way you label your music for yourself or for others to hear. But when you're taking part in a genre competition, "world fusion psychedelic" means almost nothing to most people. They might have a general idea of what you're trying to get at, but it's not an established genre that you would be able to develop a mix with. Again, you're taking a more refined approach to suggesting a genre than you would if you were to suggest psychill. Psychill is the larger umbrella in which your "tribal/world/ethnic/fusion/indian/bingbingbing" downtempo music falls under. Downtempo is the even larger umbrella that houses psychill. For instance: Trance --> Tech Trance ---->Dreamy Tech Cyber Whateverthefuck Specific Label or Artist's Sound Trance I want you aiming for that second tier when you suggest a genre. So I recommend you keep it at psychill. Let the person who receives the genre decide if they want to go in the ethnic fusion chicken tikka masala direction if they want. Cool? Nah, you didn't bother to read the original post so you're not in.

Actually, after seeing how you like to over complicate something that is not complicated at all (music) I wouldn't waste my time.

Sweet.

In

Garage

I may come to regret this come submission time but I cant resist getting involved.

May I throw liquid funk into the pile? My feeling is that although it sounds hyper-specific its actually a reasonably large genre to delve into, although I understand if others disagree.

Jon, I've added you to the list with psy-chill as the suggested genre. If you have a problem with that just let me know.

I'll throw my name into the ring now. We now have 6 competitors.

Acid techno

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Jon, I've added you to the list with psy-chill as the suggested genre. If you have a problem with that just let me know.

No problems here, it doesn't bother me what people call their music as long as they can convey what it means. Sounds accurate enough, thanks.

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It just sounds like generic ethno-flavoured downtempo that you hear in Indian restaurants and on those Buddha Bar 27 compilations in supermarkets, albeit with a mild dubstep influence on the production aesthetic.

Not that you care, but I've pretty much lost all respect for you at this point between your incredibly ignorant view of music to your stupid little inductive psychoanalysis of my person based on a few Internet Forums Posts

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Originally posted by wotyzoid In Garage

too broad... i love a lot of different kinds of garage - can you narrow it down just a tiny bit? I'm curious what you are getting at (or you can provide some examples!)


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Originally posted by michaelmay Actually, after seeing how you like to over complicate something that is not complicated at all (music) I wouldn't waste my time.

I think the problem is that music is in fact complicated and highly subjective, and that mixed with the fact we are on the internet and people get Really Upset (see: this thread), is making this more difficult than it needs to be. Maybe we should require you post at least a few examples with you're genre to avoid the following 3 posts that are inherently going to ask for them? And maybe we can stop bitching about what words someone chooses as long as the sound of the music is obvious?

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Originally posted by jonmitz too broad... i love a lot of different kinds of garage - can you narrow it down just a tiny bit? I'm curious what you are getting at

No, sorry.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid No, sorry.

k, how about some examples at least?

LOL how is garage too broad...

that's the whole point of this contest. It's interesting to see everyone's take on the genre's being suggested. With Garage, people are free to go either the old school direction, new school direction, a little bit of both, maybe straight UK garage, maybe a little bit of both UK and US, maybe vocals, etc.

Honestly that's the beauty of this challenge.

*edit: I realized I answered my own question, sorry. My point was that a term like Garage is broad enough to allow enough creativity on the part of the DJ. Anything more specific than that it becomes kind of a pointless challenge.

I would love to make a garage mix.

To play devil's advocate, there is NYC Garage (after the club), and UK Garage. You could also misconstrue this for Future Garage.

I would chomp for all of these genres; however it could be seen as vague even though Jon likes peckers.

I love genres. So fucking much.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay I would love to make a garage mix. To play devil's advocate, there is NYC Garage (after the club), and UK Garage. You could also misconstrue this for Future Garage. I would chomp for all of these genres; however it could be seen as vague even though Jon likes peckers. I love genres. So fucking much.

I'll make sure you get a decent selection from the genres if you sign up. It would be awesome to have classic elFreak in the challenge.

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Originally posted by jonmitz k, how about some examples at least?

Garage bro, whatever garage means to you, go crazy. Fuck.

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Originally posted by jonmitz No problems here, it doesn't bother me what people call their music as long as they can convey what it means. Sounds accurate enough, thanks. Not that you care, but I've pretty much lost all respect for you at this point between your incredibly ignorant view of music to your stupid little inductive psychoanalysis of my person based on a few Internet Forums Posts too broad... i love a lot of different kinds of garage - can you narrow it down just a tiny bit? I'm curious what you are getting at (or you can provide some examples!) edit: I think the problem is that music is in fact complicated and highly subjective, and that mixed with the fact we are on the internet and people get Really Upset (see: this thread), is making this more difficult than it needs to be. Maybe we should require you post at least a few examples with you're genre to avoid the following 3 posts that are inherently going to ask for them? And maybe we can stop bitching about what words someone chooses as long as the sound of the music is obvious?

I agree somewhat with your statement. The problem is, is that we humans over complicate many things that are not complicated by nature. Music is an expression of emotions. It is us who have put man made labels on things. I play what many would call Trance, Progressive House, Techno and Deep House. When I'm behind the decks, I don't label it as such though. The tracks I play are just pieces of the puzzle with the overall goal to tell my story.
I would like to participate, but I am not interested in playing a genre that would be emotionless for me, with all due respect.

Who the fuck is this guy?

Who knew this challenge would generate so many arguments. Was it really like this back when they happened regularly?

@michael: The whole point of this initiative is to give yourself a challenge as a DJ and put together a story with tracks you wouldn't normally play or even know about. I once refused to listen to or play certain types of electronic music, but I attribute my overall growth as a DJ to when I experimented with other genres and played them out in a mix. Of course it's fine if you don't want to participate in a challenge such as this but I believe you are missing out

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay I would love to make a garage mix. To play devil's advocate, there is NYC Garage (after the club), and UK Garage. You could also misconstrue this for Future Garage. I would chomp for all of these genres; however it could be seen as vague even though Jon likes peckers. I love genres. So fucking much.

Naturally, I'm really hoping to get Garage as my genre...

I was thinking of participating for the first time since forever, but after reading all of this bullshit I'm not so sure...

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Originally posted by chris1011 Who knew this challenge would generate so many arguments. Was it really like this back when they happened regularly?

Yeah, for the most part, lol. Maybe not this heated, but there is always discrepancies over submitted genres.

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