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TranceLover, thanks for your suggestion

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Originally posted by deegee k so this is something I've been fiddling with. I know the mixing is craptacular--I'm really only looking for feedback about the general structure, if this is one worth pursuing.

I like how it starts, like the arp sound... but later on it's starts to be repetitive. From 2:00 to 3:00 - kinda psychedelic but too messy for me. From 4:00 it's starts to get really repetitive.

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After second listening part from 2:00 to 3:00 sounds better ...
But i don't like where you take it later on.

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After third listening the only part that bugs me is 3:40-4:40 and 4:58-5:50, because melody is not attractive enough to me.

I don't really know if i helped you

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Originally posted by deegee k so this is something I've been fiddling with. I know the mixing is craptacular--I'm really only looking for feedback about the general structure, if this is one worth pursuing.

Sure needs work, but I like it overall, its nice anyhow, cheers.

I think i'm done with this.

Is it any good?

It could use better drums mate, that would pull it together IMO. Snappy like an old black guy would do it on the drums, kinda 'get on up, a like sex machine' drums.

Cam someone give me their ears on this, the football club track I'm doing.
I seem to have too much bass, do you agree?

I should re-do the crowd chant, it sounds nasty.

Anyone Like iT?? i Hate it!

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Originally posted by gordan100 I think i'm done with this. Is it any good?

Yeah, sound good as an idea for something that suppose to happen along the way in this track (about 2min mark for me) - like this bass become secondary sound replace by some lead playing different melodic part - also kick could be a bit punchier (at least for me) -> so yeah, good idea so far which need to be develop farther.

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Cam someone give me their ears on this, the football club track I'm doing. I seem to have too much bass, do you agree? I should re-do the crowd chant, it sounds nasty.

Richard - sounds design and melodic line is really sweet man, I like overall idea but structure in this short WIP is not clicking with me so far (like this 0:30 min mark where I expected something different to take place) - but I also understand that this is just an idea and can evolve to quite a massive production in the future my friend.

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Anyone Like iT?? i Hate it!

Still going to wait for more comments on this before will offer my perspective but I believe that this is still recoverable concept lol

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Cam someone give me their ears on this, the football club track I'm doing. I seem to have too much bass, do you agree? I should re-do the crowd chant, it sounds nasty.

It's fine, there's not too much bass for me. Sounds great. Except crowd.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Anyone Like iT?? i Hate it!

Bass and strings are ok (1:00 - 1:55). Lead is kinda tiring to me.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Anyone Like iT?? i Hate it!

Sounds like a loop on top of which someone is mashing the keyboards.

OK, just before I add some final touches and send it out -> my collab with Carlos and Amy:



Any thoughts???

Darek

Darek as you know I have really admired some of your works lately but sorry man this does not a lot for me all round. It's just ok melodically.

This mix is not to your usual standard, the vocals are hard to decipher, way too much bid / bass in them and they clash with the synths even though the vocals are very loud. The kick is old fashioned and wooly, the early intro synth part is clumsy, damn this is nasty feeback, sorry Darek.

Sorry Man, I cant love them all, and I know this can make one feel a bit down but I wont compromise on honest feedback.

I'm going to have to agree - the mixdown is just completely off. The beat is almost inaudible and mushy, while the vocals are so loud they drown everything else out.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Darek as you know I have really admired some of your works lately but sorry man this does not a lot for me all round. It's just ok melodically. This mix is not to your usual standard, the vocals are hard to decipher, way too much bid / bass in them and they clash with the synths even though the vocals are very loud. The kick is old fashioned and wooly, the early intro synth part is clumsy, damn this is nasty feeback, sorry Darek. Sorry Man, I cant love them all, and I know this can make one feel a bit down but I wont compromise on honest feedback.

Sounds good Richard - this is not the latest one version and most of the vocal stuff is already cleanup - as far as this pluck in the beginning (a think this is the one you are referring to as clumsy) the feedback is also already properly adjusted -> and yes agree with you on the fact that is it hard to make everybody happy a specially in the style that most people over here (on Tranceaddict) doesn't admire anyway lol.

Cheers brother for your honest opinion

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'm going to have to agree - the mixdown is just completely off. The beat is almost inaudible and mushy, while the vocals are so loud they drown everything else out.

It is not easy to get you comment on any work/production and usually when you do then you deliver the "BOMB" -> you mention that this is almost inaudible and mushy with additional problems with the vocal? (and yes vocal level and sound eq is already adjusted as I mention in my response to Richard comment), also which reference system did you use to identified this mixing problems as this would help me address some specific issues you heard in the mix.

Cheers and appreciate your time man.

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 It is not easy to get you comment on any work/production and usually when you do then you deliver the "BOMB" -> you mention that this is almost inaudible and mushy with additional problems with the vocal? (and yes vocal level and sound eq is already adjusted as I mention in my response to Richard comment), also which reference system did you use to identified this mixing problems as this would help me address some specific issues you heard in the mix. Cheers and appreciate your time man. Darek

I think the issue with the kick is that it sort of blends with the bass because there's no punch to it. The track would benefit from a more snappy kick. I was listening to the track on my home stereo with a subwoofer which emphasized the problem even further.

I don't usually like to give feedback on tracks, since I believe every artist makes their music the way they intend it to sound. I commented here, because I believe this doesn't sound the way you want it to.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think the issue with the kick is that it sort of blends with the bass because there's no punch to it. The track would benefit from a more snappy kick. I was listening to the track on my home stereo with a subwoofer which emphasized the problem even further. I don't usually like to give feedback on tracks, since I believe every artist makes their music the way they intend it to sound. I commented here, because I believe this doesn't sound the way you want it to.

Yeah, I will need to make some assumption as I went on three different systems (speakers setups) incl. Yamaha HS80M and B&W Matrix 804 and in my car stereo so I'm a bit confuse at the best (but I'm completely agree with vocal levels and eq issues which are taking care already).

Kick and bass I want to be glue together and have similar range (but I will try to play with slightly different one or do some eq to make it sound more separated), anyway my main concern was vocal so got your guys opinion already for which I'm regretful

Cheers man,

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 OK, just before I add some final touches and send it out -> my collab with Carlos and Amy: Any thoughts??? Darek

the vocal isnt sitting right at all, needs more compression for a start, maybe even a retake? If you get that sorted im sure the whole thing will sound a lot better!

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Originally posted by evo8 the vocal isnt sitting right at all, needs more compression for a start, maybe even a retake? If you get that sorted im sure the whole thing will sound a lot better!

Just replace the original (old) one with a short version of latest production as (and it was my mistake lol) I should upload newer version right from the beginning

The reason behind was that (and happened to me already) sometime if I share a full and ready to go production on SoundCloud it was distributed all over the net and free for download

Cheers guys and thanks for some rough but honest comments

Just in the case if somebody doesn't like to go back and find this latest (but short) version on this track then here we go:



Darek

Oh that's much better Darek.

Ok in terms of improvements;

1) that synth underlining the chorus from 28 secs is boring, make a much better sound, not so it takes over the vocals, but adds to the track and excitement none the less.

2) a bit nit picky but the sweeps have too much resonance and are a little predictable in sound. I would suggest make them a little more original sounding, as a sort of sign of quality and thoughtfulness

Otherwise yes sounds way better and is listenable

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Oh that's much better Darek. Ok in terms of improvements; 1) that synth underlining the chorus from 28 secs is boring, make a much better sound, not so it takes over the vocals, but adds to the track and excitement none the less. 2) a bit nit picky but the sweeps have too much resonance and are a little predictable in sound. I would suggest make them a little more original sounding, as a sort of sign of quality and thoughtfulness Otherwise yes sounds way better and is listenable

Funny you mention this synth from 0:28 sec as I was contemplating of modifying it but since this is/was a part of original collab stem in form of wav file I wasn't able to do that so the only way to deal with it would be completely to replace it with something different lol -> and I may have to do that

Also I'm not set on drums pattern and style yet, need to dive a bit deeper into this part and see if I can create something more driving and with more dynamic vibe.

I'm glad that you like this so far Richard also thanks to Toby for his time and comment - you guys can always share your opinion on any of my tracks (god or bad)

Cheers,

Darek

I want to now send this out, I've done a lot of frilly bits to really give it a final boost. Only home mastering though.

I played in a little classical riff hope that's allowed as its real old?

Any last critiques?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I want to now send this out, I've done a lot of frilly bits to really give it a final boost. Only home mastering though. I played in a little classical riff hope that's allowed as its real old? Any last critiques?

This is really fucking good. I'm only listening on earbuds but I don't hear anything technically wrong with the mix, sounds or engineering. Really interesting track, that piano is lovely (what is it by the way?) and the bass sits and hits nicely.

My only critique is that you have to give it more impact on the drop at 2:25 - was expecting a fat kick or layered (simple) beefy break over that next verse, but all it does is fill in the missing beat from breakdown - nothing extra hits and I can't help but want the track to go there.

But honestly, you produce some the best sounding DnB out there.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I want to now send this out, I've done a lot of frilly bits to really give it a final boost. Only home mastering though. I played in a little classical riff hope that's allowed as its real old? Any last critiques?

It depends how old the song is and if the copyright was renewed or not by anyone. Also, I don't know much about classical but I think there are different "arrangements" of compositions that may be more recent and in copyright (the same way a new translation of an old out of copyright book is under a new copyright).

Personally, I think the classical addition is "interesting" but I liked it better the old way (this new part stands out quite a bit, which can be good but may be a bit too dramatic). I tend to like to play it safer and am really into the catchyness of this song first and foremost. I know you like to make really unique stuff though, and it is your interpretation at the end of the day. The version I have been listening to the last month was great to me. I think it is possible to overproduce a track after it has reached its best version.

I hope you do send it out! Hopefully to some big labels first.

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