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Originally posted by Raphie instaling the new amp: Plinius SB-301 (Paulino, google this cable )

It's comforting to know that, while I've never been near a set up like that, my track was recently flying through those cables at the speed of light in preparation for the Colors II album.

I listened to music played through a 120K Euro home setup once. It took me a week to recover and lose the feeling that everything sounds like shit on pretty much every other system. I was literally feeling down because of it. Never again until I can afford it.

Curious, how much does the amp weigh?

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Originally posted by Innocence Lost Curious, how much does the amp weigh?

google is your friend: Plinius SB 301

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Originally posted by Raphie google is your friend: Plinius SB 301

No, thanks.

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Originally posted by Storyteller I listened to music played through a 120K Euro home setup once. It took me a week to recover and lose the feeling that everything sounds like shit on pretty much every other system. I was literally feeling down because of it. Never again until I can afford it.

Lol, I know that feel. I remember when I first moved out here to work for a certain composer. We had to do some testing one day of a new desk configuration in one of the studio rooms so I plugged in a track I had done a little before and it crushed me how good the setup in the room was.

So my colleague took me to the composers room and we played it there. $40k Custom Quested Monitors (per speaker) and at least a $500k+ signal chain. I didn't know what I was listening to for about a month after that - I heard all these things in the track that I didn't know was there and it honestly just confused the hell out of me for my home setup for weeks.

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Originally posted by Raphie Plinius SB 301

Nice! I've heard of quite a few guys switching from Classe amps to these. Please do a full review when you get a mo.

Here is one from The Absolute Sound

I'll share my findings within the next few days. Mind you my TAD's are still running in.

So raphy, you use any kind of power conditioning?

Tested in the past but really no upside in my region

You should try using balanced power since you like quality so much.

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Originally posted by Innocence Lost You should try using balanced power since you like quality so much.

wonder what you mean with "balanced power" care to elaborate?

http://www.b-p-t.com/what-is-balanced-power.html

I'm assuming he's still talking about (a bit more advanced) power conditioning. Which is pretty much a non-issue in Holland as we take proper care of our power lines . It is extremely reliable, power surges and dips are unheard of here.

Just put the audio (amp+speakers) on a different fuse than your lighting and other gear and most relevant issues regarding interference are sorted.

Americans just don't get it. But their power grid is just inferior in that aspect ;D

i've got my studio on a seperate group already. not much more needed here.

I wouldn't expect anything less with such an investment . Updated the post a bit with a link to some info.

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Originally posted by Storyteller I wouldn't expect anything less with such an investment . Updated the post a bit with a link to some info.

Ok I get the balanced thing now, but htat really seems to be an american 120v thingy.
The only vendor i know doing high end reconditioning for EU market is PSAudio and their products have proven not to be very reliable on 220v at all, excessive heat and very high failure rate.

I have a dedicate power strip from BPT , it works fine.

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Originally posted by Raphie Ok I get the balanced thing now, but htat really seems to be an american 120v thingy. The only vendor i know doing high end reconditioning for EU market is PSAudio and their products have proven not to be very reliable on 220v at all, excessive heat and very high failure rate.

Not all. You realize that in the states we have lower V and end up drawing more A, and in Europe we use more V and less A. It's all the same thing.

The only major difference is that the US has far larger distances to run and they are really bad with earthing here. That does have some baring on cleanliness of power but not a huge amount.

The main problem is all the shit you have plugged in throughout your house; nearly ever single appliance sends a nice bit of dirt back up your circuit, especially anything with a motor or that uses capacitors (microwaves are really dirty). Got any flourescent lighting? (yep you do, because the EU made you stop using filament lightbulbs). then that shit is making your power dirty.

Generally wiring in north european countries is some of the best in world so you're lucky on that front but don't think for a second you're immune to dirty power or noise induced from un conditioned power just because your wiring has been done to building code, and giving yourself a separate breaker won't really help much - it's better than everything being on the same extension cord and at least you have a discrete neutral conductor in your circuit but with equipment as sensitive and as high quality as yours, you really should get an electrician in to have you power balanced.

By that, it's where they balance the phase of your negative vs positive in relation to ground. If you were to run a voltage analysis on your plug sockets I promise you'll find they are not close to balanced and some equipment even has a leak on the ground (minor or slow short).

It will cost you a couple of hundred Euros but well worth the difference and peace of mind.

Most studios I know aren't bothering with power conditioners anymore; they get the entire feed balanced from the street, then correctly split the breakers and then just use a UPS for an extra layer of protection and conditioning. It actually works out cheaper, safer and better sounding in the long run.

I've got 3 phases in my house, 1 is dedicated to audio and even has a seperate ground pin, pretty well covered there

Bloody hell how big is your house raphie? Why would you need 3 phases? Or is this common over there?

As for balancing your loads, in a domestic situation I doubt they would be much need, its not like you'll be pulling much at any given time or have an abnormal amount of inductave loads running on 1 line. You're also always going to get earth leakage. That's why you test RCDs for nuisance tripping, and depending where the RCD is placed would determine its rating in mA as it can really build up over many circuits but its by no means a bad thing.

It must just be an american thing

basically most new upmarket houses in NL have like 6 or 8 groups and 3 phases

Groups?? Sorry the terminology is different in England, I've only just worked out what rann was saying with the help of storytellers link and I'm an electrician lol.

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Originally posted by Robotrance all european (except in stupid norway up until recently where ground and neutral was combined) houses have 400V 3 phase + neutral + earth in.

In england we mainly use 3 systems. TNS, TNCS, and TT. TNCS where earth and neutral is combined is pretty common around here, but it is very unusual to find a house with 3phases to it.

Yeah kind of... Say you have 3 phase going into a street, 1 phase for 1 house, next phase for the next house and so on etc..

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Originally posted by Andy28 Groups?? Sorry the terminology is different in England, I've only just worked out what rann was saying with the help of storytellers link and I'm an electrician lol.

groups = in-house electrical circuit behind a fuse/circuit-breaker.
So he'd have 6-8 seperate circuits in house with their own circuit breaker.

Thanks, I thought as much. We just call them circuits.

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