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Thanks for listening and commenting, guys. It was an old live jam of over 40 minutes that I tried to edit into a single, short track, so I was wondering whether the transitions feel smooth or rather blunt. Unfortunately the track automatically recorded in Mono instead of in Stereo because apparently there was no longer enough room on my Tascam SD card. I thought it might still retain that oldschool raw, analog feeling because of this, but it would certainly have sounded better in Stereo. Ahh well.

Actually,i don't understand excactly what's WIP mean?






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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT After a long time out of the game, I'm trying to take it up again. This is a remix of Cryophonik's old track from way back.

tis ok, dont really like the snare

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Originally posted by deegee I can't really comment on the track because it's not in a style I really enjoy so I don't think I could be useful. Production seems tight though--and I looooooooove the vocal. Overprocessed for my taste but I like it a lot. - the clap or snare is distorted in a way that just doesn't work with the rest of the track. try softening it out a bit--it punches too much through the mix for me. After the breakdown it's much better. - I like that pad/synth sound that shows up around 0:50. Sounds very smooth, for lack of a better term. Probably something I'd fix on if I were hearing it on a dancefloor. - the off-8 blip at the beginning is just distracting, doesn't feel like it's sitting in the mix - the vocals also don't feel like they're sitting in the mix--too front and centre. It's a little bit better when the vocal first enters during the breakdown - I like the breakbeat in the breakdown, though there's some weird stuttering? I'd turn the whole phrase with the kick-snare-kick-snare into a breakbeat Other than that this feels like it's got some great pieces, but it doesn't feel like it goes much of anywhere. There's no real energy buildup or release, not even just sort of a relentless/driving/hypnotic feel to fit in a set somewhere. I'd like to feel more of a splash when the vocals kick in, you know? Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is terrible; as said above the basic structure is there, just needs some shaping. Anyone care to have a go at this WIP? I'm mainly at the stage where I'm endlessly fussing with tiny things so I can avoid doing a final mixdown. I'm aware some of the EQ needs work--waiting for some time with a friend's good monitors. Thoughts, anyone? Don't hold back.

volume is seriously low for some reason, anyway, not sure that kick fits this track, sounds more like a big techno kick, wouldnt be a fan of the overall style of the track, sorry

Well yeah, it's not mastered. Do you have anything useful to say? I'm not really sure "I don't like this style" is a useful review.

deegee, I really liked your track. It reminds me of something J00f might've spun back in the day. The atmospheric synth reminds me of M.I.K.E.'s stuff. The kick drum at around 6 mins is superfluous - it sounds like 2 tracks in one. I would also consider using a fuller, more booming kick, and I would definitely like to hear a "louder," mastered version. Just beef it up and shorten it, and I think it might even work wonders on the dancefloor. Definitely something to release once it's complete. Also not really crazy about the buildup at around 7:20-7:26, might want to do without or change that loop, but it's up to you.

Sorry I know I'm being greedy but I want to get this track right, can you please let me know of any improvements. Only home mastering for now.

I'm guessing the build ups to the chorus's need mooore "epicness" and vocals need work?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred deegee, I really liked your track. It reminds me of something J00f might've spun back in the day. The atmospheric synth reminds me of M.I.K.E.'s stuff. The kick drum at around 6 mins is superfluous - it sounds like 2 tracks in one. I would also consider using a fuller, more booming kick, and I would definitely like to hear a "louder," mastered version. Just beef it up and shorten it, and I think it might even work wonders on the dancefloor. Definitely something to release once it's complete. Also not really crazy about the buildup at around 7:20-7:26, might want to do without or change that loop, but it's up to you.

Thanks. So basically you're suggesting to cut out everything between 6:00 and 7:30 (roughly)? I can totally see that working as a shorter mix. The aim with the naked kick for a bit there was build-tease-nope you're not getting off yet, followed by everything coming back at 7:30, but I totally see your point there.

Could you point me at a track that uses the kind of booming kick you think would work better?

oh, Richard, check your PMs

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Originally posted by deegee Could you point me at a track that uses the kind of booming kick you think would work better?

Perhaps something like this:



Or more like this (your track reminded me of this one):

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Sorry I know I'm being greedy but I want to get this track right, can you please let me know of any improvements. Only home mastering for now. I'm guessing the build ups to the chorus's need mooore "epicness" and vocals need work?

I really really dislike that organ sound. It's ruining the track for me. I think if you want to use something like that you're going to have to go full-on Ghosts & Stuff for it to work, with a distorted, aggressive organ-like sound. Honestly though, I'd replace it all together.

The vocals are interesting but they're really hard to understand, and are set really far back in the mix.

The drums are nice though, and it's cool melodically.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Perhaps something like this: Or more like this (your track reminded me of this one):

Wow, that is quite the compliment, thank you!

So you're suggesting a bit of distortion (that first one sounds like a pretty classic distorted 909 to me?) and a bit more reverb?

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Originally posted by deegee So you're suggesting a bit of distortion (that first one sounds like a pretty classic distorted 909 to me?) and a bit more reverb?

Yep, just make it more booming. Play around a with it a bit, perhaps. The choice is ultimately yours, of course, but that's at least what I'd like to hear, I think.

Also, notice the breaks and buildups in the 2nd track. They still retain the tension throughout, whereas your break in the middle sounds like the track is ending and a new one is beginning.

Good point. It's an effect I've heard in many tracks--kill everything down to the kick and then blast 'em in the face again, but it seems like I've missed some crucial element in making that, y'know work I like the way the structure goes, but I need something overlaying the kick to add tension. Thanks

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Sorry I know I'm being greedy but I want to get this track right, can you please let me know of any improvements. Only home mastering for now. I'm guessing the build ups to the chorus's need mooore "epicness" and vocals need work?

I quite like it to be honest. Not the style I'm usually listening to but it is catchy. I have no problems with the organ sound, I think it fits the style. The mix sounds good to my ears, and the vocals are good. Doesnt really matter that they dont make sense. They just need to be there so peeps can hum along.

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Originally posted by deegee Anyone care to have a go at this WIP? I'm mainly at the stage where I'm endlessly fussing with tiny things so I can avoid doing a final mixdown. I'm aware some of the EQ needs work--waiting for some time with a friend's good monitors. Thoughts, anyone? Don't hold back.

I think the buildup to the breakbeat needs more tension. It feels pretty meh with that snare alone...
And I agree that the kick needs some compliment at the drop. Maybe you can use a big delay on the FX sound? It doesnt feel good when that dissappears altogether for a moment. Thats what makes it sound like it's ending.

And yes, a moore boomy kick would do no harm.

Well it's mixed very nicely (in my headphones anyway) and will make a very nice breakdown. The basic melody, though, isn't all that interesting. If you're going to go with simple (and I love simple!) you need to jazz it up a bit more with any of: fatter/fuller sound, more filter ******y, more interesting/morphing synth lead, distortion... something. For me it feels like the more complex the melody, the simpler the sound should be, and vice versa. Ends up a little cookie cutter otherwise.

Which is not to say I don't like this!

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Originally posted by soundinquiry

Ok this could work if you bring in a prominent counter melody at 49 seconds in. It will need to have a great sound and be clear and not saw like, so something like a distorted square. To make it original don't just play it, maybe use staccato and editing tricks, the sort of thing Seandroid does.

The resonant filter that opens into the main saw melody is slightly old fashioned, needs a bit of a tweak so it's not so standard.

Could be a big sounding piece if done right. Nice mix.

Really appreciate the feedback on my track guys, VERY useful.
On balance it seems the organ has to be killed and replaced by something more interesting. I deliberately tried to find an old boring small chapel organ as I wanted this to be a foil / contrast for the much more interesting piano part that comes after.

But I don't want people to turn off the track right away due to a depressing organ sound so I will address this.

Droidika - that's a good point about the lack of clarity in the vocals, maybe time to layer them up with a less affected version but I'm terrified this will cause me to loose the mix balance I've got.

Cheers again!

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Ok the track is way more done now, I personally like break 2 and the drop there. Any feedback on anything, mix etc is very welcome.

Having browsed the last 10 or so pages...this one stood out [to me]. Quite liked the vibe and energy. Can tell quite a bit of work went into this. Liked the subtle filter work in the mid-section.

Hard to judge the mixes coming from soundcloud. I'd like to think the mid to high end sounds much cleaner at 320+ bitrate, sans soundcloud compression.

good stuff.

I'm entering a remix contest. I don't want to commit to a mixdown without some kind of feedback: does this track work? It's aimed at being pretty oldschool epic and dreamy, hypnotic and emotional. Any thoughts?

First thing I noticed, bass needs to be compressed. Then I realized your whole mix needs to be tamed. Also your reverb settings aren't correct.

Okay. Reverb is incorrect in what way? Does the structure work?

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